Guns....Yes, No or Leave Well Alone?? - Page 4

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 19:31

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Originally Posted by JayDee

There is one massive problem with this.

Guns are very valuable to the people that own them, but they are even more valuable to people who want to steal them. An owner is required to keep his FAC guns locked up in a secure place; the ammunition and the bolt (where applicable) are required to be locked up seperately. Any owner of a FAC firearm is breaking the law if this is not done (= random spot checks by the police). If any body wants to steal your gun he has to break into your home and defeat the security of your gun cabinet to get one or two guns. If he wants any more he has to go through the whole process somewhere else. If you and the other three (or thirty) dozen members have the guns locked up at the club house the thieves only have to defeat one set of security precautions and he can pick and choose. We rest our case M'lud

John

Thanks for that, some interesting info in that little lot.

However you will notice i specifically said LOCKED UP IN A VAULT, like a bank vault. Everyone knows there are millions of pounds in bank vaults but how often do they get broken into??

I rest my case for the defence!!!!

JayDee · 29-11-2009, 19:36

To add my further opinion to this (oh! no they cried)...

Since Hungerford and Dunblane the sporting activities of the majority have been severely curtailed by the kneejerk reactions of the politicians who don't give a toss about how the laws affect you and me, they just need to be 'seen to be doing something' to shut the 'they should do something about it' crowd (i.e. those who fail to grasp that the 'they' who should be 'doing something about it' includes them, and you, and me and every man and woman in the nation who has a responsibility to society, their families, their neighbourhood, etc., etc., etc.) up.
Laws have been introduced that removed at a stroke our ability to compete at any level in pistol shooting (UK used to be good at it for gods' sake). They have introduced laws that will criminalise the likes of me through no fault of my own because I witness a fellow club member who upon testing his new airgun finds it to be above 12 ft.lb. - if I don't report the incident I am an accessory to a crime. If I do report it an innocent shooter (who should have been able to trust the gun shop to sell him a legal weapon) ends up with his £250+ gun being confiscated and destroyed and him with a criminal record. And this is just a few instances. Laws written as part of knee-jerk reactions are nearly always badly thought out, inadequately debated and probably not even discussed with the people who have to enforce them and or advise on them.

I'm not going to say anymore (thank god they said) for a while (Oh No!).

John

Bulletguy · 29-11-2009, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Jim

If I lived in an area where there was high gun crime. I'd rather it be in a country that allowed everyone to have a weapon and not just the toerags.

Naturally.
Why bother asking your neighbour to turn the volume of their radio down when you can solve the issue by blowing his brains out instead.

stagman · 29-11-2009, 20:00

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Originally Posted by dazzer

Thanks for that, some interesting info in that little lot.

However you will notice i specifically said LOCKED UP IN A VAULT, like a bank vault. Everyone knows there are millions of pounds in bank vaults but how often do they get broken into??

I rest my case for the defence!!!!

Do you think a gun club would be able to afford to take out an insurance policy to cover the value of all the guns they would have to store at a gun club . The gun club would usually be out in very remote areas very different to a Bank .

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by stagman

Do you think a gun club would be able to afford to take out an insurance policy to cover the value of all the guns they would have to store at a gun club . The gun club would usually be out in very remote areas very different to a Bank .

Yes I do. How much does it cost per year to join a gun club?? On average how many member do they have?? How much does it cost you per individual weapon to insure them? You would simply pay the club instead of the insurance company for the theft part of your cover.

A gun club would probably get insurance at a cheaper rate than an individual anyway

stagman · 29-11-2009, 20:07

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Originally Posted by dazzer

Yes I do. How much does it cost per year to join a gun club?? On average how many member do they have?? How much does it cost you per individual weapon to insure them? You would simply pay the club instead of the insurance company for the theft part of your cover.

A gun club would probably get insurance at a cheaper rate than an individual anyway

: Rofl1:

Jim · 29-11-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Bulletguy

Naturally.
Why bother asking your neighbour to turn the volume of their radio down when you can solve the issue by blowing his brains out instead.

Totally illogical. If someone is inclined to murder because of radio volume why would gun control stop them? Someone like that would flout a ban anyway.

dazzer · 29-11-2009, 20:11

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Originally Posted by stagman

: Rofl1:

Glad you see the logic in my answer.