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Old 20-04-2008, 04:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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How about all the CCTV wherever you go?

What rights have you there then?
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Old 20-04-2008, 04:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
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How about all the CCTV wherever you go?

What rights have you there then?

You have the absolute right under the Human Rights Act to see any video images that are taken of you. You just have to ask the council, give them a date, time & location. However when they show you walking down the High St, they are not allowed to show you the faces of anyone one else on the video so they have all spent a fortune on very sophisticated software, that masks everyone except you.
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Old 20-04-2008, 04:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 20-04-2008, 05:16 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I know of a couple of instances years ago where over-zealous, poorly (if at all) trained bodyguards have forcibly removed film canisters from photographers cameras and exposed the film to daylight. Interestingly these idiots have then been subsequently sued for assault and not the destruction of a latent image.
This is covered in the downloadable PDF - presumably the offence is assault arising from the use of unreasonable force.

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I always understood that in a public place a photographer could take photos of any member of the public and it is how that photograph might subsequently be used that might breach someone's rights. However, the recent raft of legislation in the shape of the human rights act and the data protection act make taking photographs a bit of a minefield. These acts are very poorly written, they are woolly and open to interpretation, unfortunately this means that the acts are slowly being hardened up with case law when people, mostly the unfortunate, fall foul of them and are prosecuted.
HRA only applies to public bodies not private individuals and companies. DPA applies to all. Again the downloadable guidance is valuable - there is a lot of difference between one's image being photographed specifically and it being just an incidental part of a street scene.

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You have the absolute right under the Human Rights Act to see any video images that are taken of you. You just have to ask the council, give them a date, time & location. However when they show you walking down the High St, they are not allowed to show you the faces of anyone one else on the video so they have all spent a fortune on very sophisticated software, that masks everyone except you.
Almost true - but it is the Data Protection Act that you use not the HRA. This, of course, also means that you can ask the same question of companies (e.g. shops) which have CCTV recording equipment, not just councils.

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Thanks Graham, I will have a read
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Dom Joly tried getting a copy of his image for his show Complainers. Incidentally I LOVED the bit where he clamped the clampers van.
Back to the plot, he requested the info under the DPA from 10-12 different organisations but only 1 was actually able to comply. It was quite amusing that the supermarket just kept shrugging their shoulders when asked!

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The actual legislation (both DPA and HRA) is relatively straightforward if approached logically.

Problems have tended to arise with the DPA over the years only where organisations have invested too little in training their staff in using it. The provisions for protectiion of data apply sensibly and there are provisions for sharing data where it is properly warranted (e.g. the Ian Huntly case).

The HRA on the other hand, whilst being relatively strightforward, causes problems because it was the first big Act for New Labour and is too aligned to party dogma rather than the needs of the UK. In passing legislation to give effect to the European Convention on Human Rights, countries are allowed "get out" clauses, known as derogations, which enable the legislation to be tailored to be aligned to the traditions and national characteristics of each country.

Blair's government, unfortunately, allowed political theory to hold sway over the interests of the country. That is why, for instance, prisoners who receive insufficient drugs to prevent them undergoing cold turkey can claim damages because their human rights have been breached.

The current government could, of course, amend the legislation to close such loopholes - but that, of course, would mean admitting that they got it wrong in the first place.

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P.S. This is not a pop at Labour just because they are Labour but purely because they got the HRA wrong and have the power to put it right.
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