Photographers' rights? - Page 2

Thepips · 20-04-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by moandick

And the same goes for copying photographs taken by somebody else - it is a flagrant breach of copyright - we have obtained permission from every owner of every photograph we use in the BPG - and that is one of the reasons why we give the BPG away totally free to our members.

I'm a bit confused by this. You give the BPG away? It can't be to get round copyright as you've just said you've permission to use all the images. Is there something I'm missing here?

Sorry if I'm a bit slow on the uptake

Doug

xgx · 20-04-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by artona

Out of interest how would you feel if he bought one of your woodworking bits and then copied it on a lathe or something. Copyright is a complex issue
stew

That's an easy one Stew, I'd be flattered and amazed at his skill

It's another well chewed bone of contention in the woodworking world... the best one could hope for would be some recognition as being the source of inspiration

If any pics of me have a commercial value then, yes, I'd like a slice of the action

GJH · 20-04-2008, 11:14 AM

There is a PDF of UK Photographers Rights available for free download Here. Interesting that there are number of instances of "might", "could" and "sometimes"

It deals with the photographer's right though, not the subject's (apart from harassment & invasion of privacy). When I worked in data protection the question of taking photos/videos at school plays often came up - the Information Commissioner has guidance on that Here which could be applied to other situations.

Graham

Road Runner · 20-04-2008, 11:15 AM

How about all these TV advert with kids in?

The worlds gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!

xgx · 20-04-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Road Runner

The worlds gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite right John, we're just exploring the depths of one particular bit

moandick · 20-04-2008, 01:45 PM

Hi Guys - sorry about that - I got ordered to take the cats for a walk - yes, you read it right - I had to take the CATS for a walk - it is a mad world......

Doug - as regards to getting around the copyright with having permission from the owners - it is not as easy as that, unfortunately. I have their permission to use the photographs and maps and text from their web sites etc., but what I do not have is the right to sell the end product and make a profit out of it - without paying royalties to the copyright owner. It costs a small fortune to print each copy of the BPG as it is - let alone consider paying royalties on top.

No, - I have permission to use the material providing I DO NOT SELL the end product - I have to be seen to be giving it away totally free. - And as other people who have seen my accounts will attest - I am very, very careful to ensure that everybody is under no illusion that the money they pay to join my club is just that - Membership subscription.

In fact - having to give it away free has helped the BPG immeasurably - instead of just Mo and myself looking for RV sites we now have over 800 members of our club looking for sites as well

Geo · 20-04-2008, 01:46 PM

A rather flippant view but the answer lies in the job description,and definition
A photographer TAKES photographs, he don't ask for permission

Geo

Thepips · 20-04-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by moandick

Doug - as regards to getting around the copyright with having permission from the owners - it is not as easy as that, unfortunately. I have their permission to use the photographs and maps and text from their web sites etc., but what I do not have is the right to sell the end product and make a profit out of it - without paying royalties to the copyright owner. It costs a small fortune to print each copy of the BPG as it is - let alone consider paying royalties on top.

No, - I have permission to use the material providing I DO NOT SELL the end product - I have to be seen to be giving it away totally free. - And as other people who have seen my accounts will attest - I am very, very careful to ensure that everybody is under no illusion that the money they pay to join my club is just that - Membership subscription.

In fact - having to give it away free has helped the BPG immeasurably - instead of just Mo and myself looking for RV sites we now have over 800 members of our club looking for sites as well

That's absolutely fascinating. I'd no idea you could get around legal niceties of paying royalties in such a straightforward way. It may make a business idea I had some time ago viable again. I'm sure it must depend on the scale though. A number of subscription music sharing sites were hounded to death over royalties.
Many thanks for the explanation though.

Regards
Doug

Road Runner · 20-04-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by moandick

Hi Guys - sorry about that - I got ordered to take the cats for a walk - yes, you read it right - I had to take the CATS for a walk - it is a mad world......

Doug - as regards to getting around the copyright with having permission from the owners - it is not as easy as that, unfortunately. I have their permission to use the photographs and maps and text from their web sites etc., but what I do not have is the right to sell the end product and make a profit out of it - without paying royalties to the copyright owner. It costs a small fortune to print each copy of the BPG as it is - let alone consider paying royalties on top.

No, - I have permission to use the material providing I DO NOT SELL the end product - I have to be seen to be giving it away totally free. - And as other people who have seen my accounts will attest - I am very, very careful to ensure that everybody is under no illusion that the money they pay to join my club is just that - Membership subscription.

In fact - having to give it away free has helped the BPG immeasurably - instead of just Mo and myself looking for RV sites we now have over 800 members of our club looking for sites as well

Yes Dick asked me before using one of my picture as to whether it was OK

Jim · 20-04-2008, 05:08 PM

I know of a couple of instances years ago where over-zealous, poorly (if at all) trained bodyguards have forcibly removed film canisters from photographers cameras and exposed the film to daylight. Interestingly these idiots have then been subsequently sued for assault and not the destruction of a latent image.

I always understood that in a public place a photographer could take photos of any member of the public and it is how that photograph might subsequently be used that might breach someone's rights. However, the recent raft of legislation in the shape of the human rights act and the data protection act make taking photographs a bit of a minefield. These acts are very poorly written, they are woolly and open to interpretation, unfortunately this means that the acts are slowly being hardened up with case law when people, mostly the unfortunate, fall foul of them and are prosecuted.