Which Is The Best New Engine And Chassis

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  1. Polar bear

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    Interested in opinions on the new Fiat engine and chassis and also the new Peugeot engine and chassis with regards to hill climbing and braking
     
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    They are all only as good as the cheap electronics, if the computer says no, you're going nowhere.
     
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    The Fiat and the Peugeot are the same vehicle from the same factory so absolutely nothing to choose between them. The Citroen Relay is also the same vehicle. They are all part of the SEVEL group joint venture.

    The Merc Sprinter used to always be considered better but from all reports I've seen that isn't the case any more. Some people are even suggesting that the new Ducato/Boxer/Relay is better than the new Sprinter.

    Either way the general consensus is that the Merc definitely isn't worth the £10 - £15k more for the base chassis these days.

    Just to throw a spanner in the works some converters use the Ford Transit and I think someone uses an Iveco chassis as well.
     
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    I have the new Fiat 2.3l upgraded to 150bhp and comfortmatic gearbox. I find it copes really well on the roads I have driven on so far over the last three months. The interior is nice enough but I don't have the high expectations of some others. Acceleration is fine up to 50/60mph when fully loaded but after that it is sluggish to 140mph ;). I very seldom drive it over 2000rpm and it copes well on hills, even with the cruise control on; never had to intervene manually so far. I would say that the 130bhp would be fine on 3500kg vans but would go 150bhp if you can. The 3l version obviously would cope much better but I doubt it would be required in most driving situations. However, if I ever go over 3500kg I would choose the 3l. So, in the short time I have had it, I feel it is comfortable to drive, powerful enough to cope with most situations and returns 25mpg minimum so it is good enough for me. Good luck with your choice.(y)
     
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    Sorry but I'd choose a modern Fiat over a modern Merc every time.
    Was a big Merc fan for 25 years, cars and trucks, had 7 new E class Mercs and numerous trucks.
    But the later trucks were unreliable and the last 2 cars I had were total junk.
    Just because its got a Merc badge doesnt guarantee quality anymore just makes it more expensive.
     
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    (Either way the general consensus is that the Merc definitely isn't worth the £10 - £15k more for the base chassis these days.

    Just to throw a spanner in the works some converters use the Ford Transit and I think someone uses an Iveco chassis as well.) quote


    Don't forget the Renault master! They do both front and rear wheel drive,
     
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    Over the moon with our new Transit (Chausson). 155hp pulls well, quite economical and lovely to drive.
     
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    Ours is on a Ducato 2.3l 150bhp, manual gearbox, plated at 3850kg and it's plenty powerful enough for me. It's nice to drive and we get mid to high 20s mpg.
    Even if it was capable of doing it I wouldn't want to drive something shaped like a brick with the aerodynamic properties of Anne Widdecombe much faster than I do now.
     
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    Mercedes any day, we have sold our fiat base euro 5 engined Hymer as the front wheel drive let me down when on gravel with any load in the back of the van, mind you the fuel economy was good, but I would rather pay more for fuel and have the confidence in the rear wheel drive,
    Mickymouse.
     
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    Agree with Bobpalt ,
    Our new 610 Chausson has the new ford transit with 155 bhp upgrade, just done 3,500 miles in last month through Italy, and can say that the engine and chassis plus the smoothness of the gearbox performed brilliantly. Over the years engines etc have become more and more reliable with fewer and fewer manufacturers, however, having had Mercedes and many others in the past mostly on cars I can say that they all break down at some point.
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    Iveco.


    JJ :cool:
     
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    The best thing about my new Hymer is the Merc engine and gearbox.
    The thing I don't like is the body roll, similar to Plymouth to Santander in a storm.
    Stef.
     
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    Exactly what I thought
    I have a new fiat, however it's got the ford engine
     
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    It won't have the Ford engine if it is a Fiat. Ford didn't enter into the Euro van agreement.

    If you have a motor home with the Ford engine then you won't be disappointed however.
     
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    I considered it was worth the extra £11,000 for the Merc, but that was based more on the twin rear wheel drive and a proper epicyclic gear train rather than a Robotized manual gearbox. I was very pleased with the 3.0litre Fiat coupled to a manual G/box but if you go for an auto the Merc has the superior engineering and subsequent smoother take up of drive, which is vitally important when using wheel chock levelers like quattros.
     
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    Agree to a point.
    I've drove merc since 1990, new 200's, c class, e class and now I've have the s320. Agreed, build quality not what it was in the past but there is simply nothing out there that comes close to the drive it offers. Appreciate its not the case with a van which all motorhomes are based on.
    Next one will be possibly the new e350 cdi as the price of the s class isn't justifiable in my opinion.
     
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    Took it to my mechanics for a service they told me defo a ford engine (63 plate) I was surprised as well but your right been very pleased with it so far
     
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    If a gear box is worth that much more to you then it's your choice obviously. Personally I've never had and problems with front wheel drive and a manual box.
    I based my post on everything I've read on the subject and overall opinion is drifting away from the Merc although of course it will always have it's fans. Obviously if you want a particular arrangement that is only available on one chassis then you will prefer it over the others.
    I've not had any experience of Merc based motorhomes but plenty using Merc panel vans and I have to say that I really don't agree that there is anything superior about them, engineering or otherwise. 10-15 years ago maybe but things have changed.
     
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