When you buy a NEW Motorhome, what is the Road Tax? (1 Viewer)

[PhilPepz]

I contacted MMM about the issue, their reply is below.
"Hi Phillip,

We were aware of the change a couple of years ago, but have not yet received any responses from readers who have to pay the higher tax. Many dealers when registering a motorhome, do not include the emissions on the CoC, and so it reverts to the lower tax bracket. However, if the emissions figure is on the CoC at first registration, then the emissions-based tax is applied.

Most dealers realised this when the changes came in and asked manufacturers not to quote emissions figures on the CoC, hence avoiding this issue. However, yours must have slipped through the net.I do know that there are quite a few small campers out there, based on people carriers that pay this tax. Unfortunately this doesn’t help you in the meantime.

I will print your letter to warn other readers to ask dealers to check the registration documents before buying a motorhome.

Thanks
Rachel"

 

[Theonlysue]

Just taken off gov Web site

 

[Lenny HB]

Just taken off gov Web site
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Not much help as DVLA do not show rates for a Motor caravan only PLG which is £230 where as Motor Caravan PLG is £235.

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[Theonlysue]

If you mean private hgv over 3.5t it's on page 4.

 

[vwalan]

Not much help as DVLA do not show rates for a Motor caravan only PLG which is £230 where as Motor Caravan PLG is £235.

a motor home carries goods .
your goods ,they arent for hire or reward but they are goods .
that was all sorted in 1991 . its not new .

 

[Lenny HB]

a motor home carries goods .
your goods ,they arent for hire or reward but they are goods .
that was all sorted in 1991 . its not new .

If you carry goods in a Motorhome it is then classed differently and needs plating instead of a class 4 MOT, items carried for living are not classed as goods.

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[vwalan]

If you carry goods in a Motorhome it is then classed differently and needs plating instead of a class 4 MOT, items carried for living are not classed as goods.

yes but driving licences and road fund tax are different . even so many with a garage that carry some items are not really class 4 . they should have class 7 as they are living vans .
i pull a living van so am well aware of the regs . mine the truck is mot exempt because of the living van . i must not pull other trailers though.
but this was sorted back years ago.
if you are over 3,500kg gvw its phgv for tax purposes .
the rules are a mess really .
i was part of a group that got involved in all this back then .
all i know is except phgv it seems ideal . dont sell etc and it seems even better.
i had a coach at the time as a m, caravan .
it took ages with licences ,mots and the taxing . but i think it got sorted to the benefit of many.
but m,homes do carry goods or burden not for reward . read the rules. its the burden you might prefer to use . but really they are your goods . plating is only for vehicles that are in the hire or reward part. i know all seems daft .

 

[David Asling]

Thought I'd give you a reply back from dvla regarding next year's change in road tax,they confirmed that the new rules apply to motorhomes so a extra £310 will have to be paid for 5 years on top of annual road tax if you purchase a new vehicle over £40000

 

[cbrown1360]

Thought I'd give you a reply back from dvla regarding next year's change in road tax,they confirmed that the new rules apply to motorhomes so a extra £310 will have to be paid for 5 years on top of annual road tax if you purchase a new vehicle over £40000

But what if it's plated over 3500kg and therefore classed as PHGV?

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[GWAYGWAY]

Get the van redone as an uprated weigh 3860kgs , that changes it to PHGV , then tax it and use it and later drop it back down to a normal van rate.That is provided you can drive it on your licence at the higher weight.
My logic is that the luxury rate applies to cars, not PHGV rated vans, and therefore they must drop it to the 'proper'rate.
Worth trying it, BUT the van I brought up originally was a liner type and that was heavy, and got caught at the CAR rate.

 

[cbrown1360]

Get the van redone as an uprated weigh 3860kgs , that changes it to PHGV , then tax it and use it and later drop it back down to a normal van rate.That is provided you can drive it on your licence at the higher weight.
My logic is that the luxury rate applies to cars, not PHGV rated vans, and therefore they must drop it to the 'proper'rate.
Worth trying it, BUT the van I brought up originally was a liner type and that was heavy, and got caught at the CAR rate.

Naive question maybe but what is the significance of 3860kg?

 

[Neil S]

when do these VED changes come into effect ? is it the 1st of April 17

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[David Asling]

Change comes in on April 1,and it's any vehicle weight doesn't come into it that's what I was told

 

[Neil S]

Change comes in on April 1,and it's any vehicle weight doesn't come into it that's what I was told

This increase in VED will put some folks of buying new I would think

 

[gerry mcg]

We are importing our new Globecar Revolution 600L with a Euro 6 150hp auto fiat ducato LH3 (3500kg) chassis in January - one of the reasons we ordered it when we did was to be certain to avoid the new £300 pa "luxury" VED levy, altough it is uncertain if it is relevant to MH.

From my researches... it looks like the Euro6 150hp ducato should be 165g CO2, so if registered before 1/4/17,
if taxed as a car, we will be charged Band G - £185 p/a plus £185 first year charge (£1295 over 6 years)
or if taxed as a PLGV £235 p/a (£1410 over 6 years)

however if we got it after the 1/4/17 and were taxed as a car, it would be £500* first year tax, with following 5 years of standard rate (£140) plus £310 luxury tax . VED from year 7 would be £140. (£3250 over 6 years)

*First Year Rates (FYRs) of VED will vary according to the carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions of the vehicle. A flat Standard Rate (SR) of £140 will apply in all subsequent years, except for zero-emission cars for which the SR will be £0. Cars with a list price above £40,000 will attract a supplement of £310 on their SR for the first 5 years in which a SR is paid. - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-excise-duty/vehicle-excise-duty

note the bit I've boldened.... it appears the £310 supplement is payable for the first 5 years the SR is payable (i.e. years 2-6) as the SR only begins in Year 2, as Year 1 is different.

that's a hefty increase.....

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[gerry mcg]

on that same link https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-excise-duty/vehicle-excise-duty
there was an interesting Summary of impacts to the exchequer from the changes -
Exchequer impact (£m)
2015 to 2016 - nil
2016 to 2017 +250
2017 to 2018 +195
2018 to 2019 +670
2019 to 2020 +940
2020 to 2021 +1425

That's a big hunk of revenue being generated by the changes!

 

[Lenny HB]

New Hymer is due in March, total confusion at the moment will have to see what happens and hopefully apply for registration before 1st April.

 

[pappajohn]

As far as I understand it, next year's changes based on valuation will not have any impact as those apply to "luxury" vehicles

Please define 'luxury vehicle'

To me, a motorhome is not a 'necessity' in the same way a regular family saloon is.

Opps, just seen i already posted this.

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[peterc10]

Please define 'luxury vehicle'

It does - anything that has a list price above £40,000.

But all of this only applies to "cars", which is not defined. I cannot see how a motorhome falls into that class, certainly not if it is above 3.5t. In addition the position paper says that all of this will have negligible effect upon businesses. That cannot be the case if HGVs are included.

 

[David Asling]

Dvla told me its ANY vehicle over £40000

 

[Lenny HB]

Peter is probably right then, DVLA are masters at miss information.

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[RitaG]

Our Auto Trail Navajo was registered in February this year and road tax was £165.

 

[David Asling]

Hi RitaG it's next April we are talking about,Lenny I can only go on what a supervisor said from Dvla I'm frustrated about it myself and I can't understand why mmm have not looked into this unless I've missed

 

[martin2603]

If the emissions are on the Certificate of Conformity it will be charged at normal rates. A few manufacturers, from the Fatherland have done this and buyers have been caught out. All dealers requested this information to be left off and only GWT information to be shown. ALL Brit manufactures only show the weights, hence 5ton vehicle is 165.00 plus first reg fee. 3.5 TON are of course al little dearer.

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[Kirsten]

OMG.. I thought the threads about weights/ axels etc were confusing enough... now totally lost here but maybe another reason never to buy a new van?

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Naive question maybe but what is the significance of 3860kg?

Next step up from 3500 as far as I am concerned could be less but you might as well get some benefit from the extra 10%.
With my new Hymer I did get a problem from the LEZ as they said it did not conform even though it is a EURO 6 model as the figure was not on the DVLA registration as suitable. I had to get it put on. So I think you should ALL look at the compliance checker for the LEZ site to check your own vehicle

 

[Geo]

April registered Ducato 130 Euro 5+, taxed as above, £230/year

As far as I understand it, next year's changes based on valuation will not have any impact as those apply to "luxury" vehicles

And as we all know a Motorhome is a God given right, the Welfare is on about cutting my diesel allowance as well

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[Neil S]

Was considering a new Dethleffs 7017 for next year but in light of this large increase of Vehicle excise Duty for the first 5 years on vehicles over £40k of an extra £310 plus the annual £230 for a 3500kg motor home I'm not so sure now . I cannot justify a yearly road tax of £540 for something that going to be used only 3/4 times a year. Or have I got it wrong and the increase only affects a new motor home in year 1

 

[gerry mcg]

Assuming that it is taxed as a car, ( but this is by no means certain)
Year 1 is emissions based dependant on CO2
Years 2-6 would be £140 standard rate (SR) plus £310 luxury tax (£500 p/a)
Year 7 onwards would be £140

 

[Wombles]

We had a hunt online & found this - doesn't look like good news... Wonder how this will work with regards to SORN.

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