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  1. simsy56

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    the word 'Have'?

    Has it been discontinued without me knowing?
    Has it been outed for health and safety's sake?

    I often see and hear "I would of", "I could of", "I should of"!

    I was taught many days ago, "I would have", "I could have", "I should have".

    Is it me? or is the English language being altered behind my back?

    And just when I thought we had conquered the pronunciation of the letter 'H' (aitch), instead of 'H' (Haitch)!

    Rant over.

    Craig
     
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    I could have read your post


    I could have read your post.. but instead I read the post.:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:


    Bob:Blush:
     
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  3. simsy56

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    You should of read it properly Bob!

    Craig
     
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    We are all going to HAVE to face facts--the young with their must HAVE phones ,lead the way now of pronunciation in their text langauge--us oldies HAVE to follow :Eeek:
    lol
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    'Have' makes up a quite a few compound words I've, we've etc, so it is used less and less, especially in the spoken word.

    Try as I might I find it difficult to get even the tiniest upset about the way people express themselves. As long as the communication is effective and the receiver gets what the sender sent. "Should of", "Should have", "Should've" all mean the same to me, take about the same time to read and even if it breaks some obscure grammar rule (does it?) it doesn't really matter to me. Should it? :Smile:
     
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    I would 'have' thought we could keep the English language as it has always been, not sliding down to text speak.
    Maybe I am old fashioned, but if i text someone, it takes me ages, because i have to spell each word correctly, and include all the punctuation marks!

    Don't tell me i am getting old, please!

    Craig
     
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    Don`t ??? !!! :Eeek: you mean ---Please do not ?? :Rofl1:
    Sorry , txt speak comming out :thumb:
     
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    I think you summed it up, Jim, by saying "As long as the communication is effective". The trouble is that the less grammar rules are followed the more the risk of ineffective communication. Having received a good education in grammar and spelling I have to admit that it grates when I see people using (say) "of" instead of "have" or "draw" instead of "drawer" - or "chimbley" instead of "chimney" on a builder's receipt after some work a few weeks ago :Smile:

    I don't criticise on here because of the forum rules but have to admit that I cringe sometimes :BigGrin:
     
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    Write!

    Being the owner of a six birth RV, l would of thought better ansers would of been 4th coming, but know!

    You ave to stoup solo and ridicool me cos i lyke to speek and right proper Inglish!

    Well, I will knot resort too yore level and tipe yooth tipe texes! Allwrite?

    Heavens! That took me longer to write than normal!

    Craig.
     
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    There is one expression that winds me up.

    Someone in front of me in a coffee shop said something like " could I get a Latte to go?"

    Sure its Yank speak or something they have seen in a movie but it annoys me.

    One other thing annoys me and thats the use of the word "guys".

    There you are sitting in a restaurant in a mixed group of men and women and the waiter ponces up and says "What can I get you guys ?" My wife always looks at me as I roll my eyes and shake my head. Even my bloody mother in law came out with it recently.

    guy = bloke unless you are trying to be hip and trendy in my book.

    Any of you guys share my angst at this?:BigGrin:
     
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    I know thee is aware that all languages are continually evolving. The old guard do what they can to stop it but we will always lose :BigGrin:

    Using the wrong words in the wrong context is always going to be wrong, I don't think for one moment that chimbley will take over from chimney or we'll ever use the words window screen, for windscreen. But new words, compounds and abbreviations that break today's grammar rules will be commonplace and probably 'correct' in years to come.

    We were taught at school that sentences should never begin with words like 'and' 'however' or 'but' yet modern best selling authors break these rules all the time.
     
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    Again... very dangerous ground here Craig...

    My father use to send the letters I wrote to him from school back to me with the spelling and grammar corrected!

    Something must have stuck because I wince and groan (just as he must have done) when I see all the glaring errors (many by me) on this site especially when they are made by qualified, professional people...

    BUT

    ...any criticism of Funsters' spelling or grammar will just reduce the chances of people posting, especially if they are worried about making mistakes, when we should be doing the opposite and encouraging them to relate their experiences or ask for and offer help...

    I believe the Darkside used to worry and comment on posters' bad spelling etc... :Sad:

    I say Kick Spelling And Grammar Criticism Out Of Fun

    Obviously right wing posts, anti Europe, homophobic, racist, sexist, anti Man City, anti tinned pies posts and the like are another matter and should be stamped on quickly and firmly... :Wink:

    Good (late) morning from sunny (again) Portugal...

    JJ :Cool:

    PS. My Spanish/Portuguese bank has not gone bust yet and is still giving me cash from machines in the wall... :thumb:



     
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    English wasn't invented and it's not a pure language such as Latin.. Down through the ages it has evolved and developed, for example, Elizabethan English .. quite different from modern English .. and so it will continue.

    Another example is the Lowland Scottish language used by Rabbie Burns.. 'broad Scots' (Not to be confused with Scottish English or Scottish Gaelic. ) even most Lowland Scots will struggle to fully understand every word.. I'd be the first to admit it.

    Even today, different regions have quite different words for the same thing... and so it will continue. Come back in a hundred years time and quite possibly 'English' will be unrecognisable.. innit
     
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    I live where the English language is spoken, so, I speak, and write English. It is the uneducated ones that should face the facts, and learn to speak and write correct English.

    Craig
     
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    I agree :thumb::BigGrin:
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    Which point in time should we use as a reference for keeping the "English language as it has always been"?

    Was it the "English" language from before William the Conqueror popped over to stay with us, or should it be the "English" language of Tudor times. Perhaps we should speak "English" as the Victorians did.

    That's precisely why English cannot be "as it always has been" because it 'has always been" changing!

    It evolves, it is a living thing, like all languages. Modern English has evolved from so many languages. Words develop and change with the times, as do the people.

    Frequently here on FUN we talk of "Motorhomes", but should we not be actually talking of about our "Motor caravans" or perhaps our "Horseless carriage dwelling places"?

    Every year many new words are added to the OED. Why, because English is alive and kicking, changing through time, and all the better for it in my humble opinion. :thumb:
     
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    I had a Somerset chap ,watching me one day trying to replace a lot of wires in the back of a tv, he said --
    "Yer ,has all thiky thur lot , gotta goo een thur?":Eeek:
    I do not expect that can be converted to txt speak !:thumb:
     
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    They are as bad here too!

    When I was excavating a deep trench in Ramsey, some years ago, an old, local fellow said, "By Christ! You're down some height"!?????

    Craig
     
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    It is like the saying when a building is being demolished--
    "They are raising it to the ground":Eeek: --- no , they are flattening it !:thumb:
     
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