What's an Electrician.

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  1. Mike B

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    To clarify matters, I have HNC Electrical and Electronics Engineering. I wish to install a fused spur in my house. Am I qualified to do it legally, who can I 'phone, write to, or just ask?

    This is really irritating me, help to clarify matters would be more than appreciated.

    I can supply a 'Dawn exemption certificate' ::bigsmile: for 1 month for a proper answer.
     
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    From what I remember from when my son took his qualifications, you need Part P to be compliant with building regs.
     
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    There is no statutory requirement to be electrically qualified to do electrical work in your own home ..

    You can do your own electrical work if you are competent to do so. Simple tasks such as wiring a plug are within the grasp of many people but more complex tasks, such as modifying an electrical installation, may not be.

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    Always do my own wiring.
    As long as the loads- cables- ect are researched into first , i enjoy doing it.
    I hate plumbing though;)
     
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    I am now totally confused (yet again).

    I thought that you had to notify the local authority Building Control people before carrying out certain works in the home. I also thought that such works have to be signed off by an approved person or building control. None of this is mentioned in the HSE guidance Jim linked to, which only appears to deal with the safety of doing the work, rather than the safety of the finished product. If that is correct then it is very misleading.

    I thought all work in bathrooms, kitchens and outside, and work elsewhere if it involved a new circuit was all notifiable. The link given by Gizmouk suggests that in no longer applies to kitchens, but there is no mention of work outside of the house (garden, shed or garage). So is that notifiable?

    Am I right to assume that a new spur (fused or not) is not a new circuit and is therefore only notifiable if it is within certain parts of a bathroom??

    So can I install a new light on the outside of my garage by spurring off the garage's existing lighting circuit without notifying?
     
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    You can carry minor work that is limited to modifying an existing circuit yourself as long as it is not in your kitchen, bathroom, or outdoors. If the work is in any of these areas or requires the addition of a new circuit then the work must be notified to your local authority building control. This is set down in Part P of the Building Regulations which are statutory. Electricians can register with an approved body of which there are several to self certify their own work and notify the job to building control.

    In theory Part P makes a provision for you to do the work yourself and ask (pay) your local building control to come and inspect it and issue a certificate if it is satisfactory. In practice no local authority that I'm aware of is set up for or interested in this. They will tell you to get the work inspected by a registered electrician. Within 12 months of this being introduced (2009 if I remember correctly) registered electricians were told in no uncertain terms that we could under no circumstances issue certificates for anyone else's work however good it may be.

    Anyone can ignore this at their own risk, in the same way that you can ignore the requirement for gas work to be carried out by a registered engineer if you choose to. The problem that you will encounter (and I have lost count of the number of conversations I've had with frantic customers over this) is that when you come to sell your house if/when the survey picks up that you have had recent electrical work done you will be asked for a certificate. If you can't produce one it can hold up or even wreck the sale.

    EDIT: I've been out of the industry for 18 months so if any of the above has changed significantly since then I am happy to be corrected. Prior to my lucky escape I spent the entire time since Part P was introduced as the responsible person for the company I worked for so the above is based on that experience.
     
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    I too have an HNC in Electrical Engineering and when we looked into to re-wiring our current home, we decided it was easier to employ a local electrician than jump through all the hoops with local authority and third party authorisations. (I laboured for him to keep the price down).

    Once completed, the installation was tested and NICEIC certified by the installer.

    One thing which was prevalent at the time was the home owners check list if/when selling a property. We took the view that once you have the correct certification, prospective buyers can't pick holes or demand reductions.

    On another note, I am currently battling with a Local Authority and have appealed to the Planning Inspectorate regarding a 12x8 foot shed on a piece of land we own. The shed is to house a ride on mower for a field which is 0.3 of a hectare. The LCC reckon the field doesn't warrant a ride on mower and I should carry a petrol hand mower 38 miles in my car every time it needs cutting. - I did yesterday as I couldn't start the ride on and it took me just shy of 7 hours. If you saw the reams of paperwork we have filled in and sent off you would laugh. I reckon I should have told them I was Muslim and it was a Prayer Hut and Id have been sorted.:mad::mad::mad:
     
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    NicNic, - look at the links posted by others. The regs appear to have changed last year, and now only mention bathrooms, new circuit or replacing a consumer unit as needing notifying. There is no mention that Kitchens or outdoors need notifying. This appears to be confirmed in the information in this link.

    The article on the changed regs stated that kitchens had been removed from the requirement to notify, but did not mention that outdoor work had, although there is now no mention of it for notifying. Hence my first question.

    But what constitutes a "circuit"? Is a spur a circuit in its own right or not?
     
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    I'm getting too old for these new regs ..

    Been doing electrical work for nigh on 50 years,.. Five years electrical maintenance apprenticeship at India Tyres,, City and Guilds Technicians Cert. and an HNC .. Stow College Glasgow

    Been a maintenance spark all my life.. Worked down gold mines in RSA, off shore oil platforms in the N Sea, coal, oil and nuclear power stations, Shell oil refinery, and finally as a project manager converting warehouses into large new cold storage facilities.. and as far as I am aware never killed anyone..

    Now with no part P I'm unqualified.. not allowed to wire up a shed.. just a useless old farte ... experience means not a jot ...put me out to pasture.. :rolleyes:
     
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    NickNic Funster Life Member

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    I did say I had been out of it for 18 months :whistle:

    No, a circuit is run directly from the consumer unit. A spur is taken from an existing point on an existing circuit
     
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    might be sending you back up and over the border soon . ha ha .
    you might be a is supporter . independant scotland .
    its going world wide now . ha ha .
     
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  14. Mike B

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    QUALIFICATIONS
    HNC -Electrical & Electronic Engineering Principles
    -Electronic Engineering
    -Electronic Digital Computers
    City & Guilds -Telecommunications 272 (Part IV)
    -Marine Radar & Radio 292 (Part III)
    -Information Technology 726
    Royal Navy -Trade certificate

    ATE Programming -Membrain 7760
    -Zehntel 810
    DTI -Radar Certificate
    Decca Survey Equipment -Trade Certificates
    Varian -Course’s in High & Low energy Clinaccs, MLC, Portal Vision and Acuity


    CAREER HISTORY
    1996 - 2011 Norfolk & Norwich NHS University Hospital
    Linacc Engineer MTO4 – Responsible for the maintenance and repair of Radiotherapy Linear accelerators and associated electrical & electronic equipment.

    1995 – 96 Bio-Plus (sewage Treatment)
    Three month work trial experience as Office & Workshop Manager in a small company manufacturing GRP
    Sewage Treatment Plants.

    1992 – 93 De Havilland College

    City & Guilds 726 computer programming course in Cobol, Dbase III, Lotus 123, Health and safety

    1990 – 92 C.I.S.S. (Building & Installation)

    Installation Manager – Responsible for the installation, maintenance and repair of data network cabling teams.

    1989-90 Dataserv (Third party computer maintenance)


    Workshop Manager – Responsible for the running of the computer repair workshop.


    1979-89 Logica Ltd (Computer Programming)


    Head of materials management (& Head of Test Department) – Responsible for the procurement department & Test department.

    1979-85 Head of Test – Responsible for the testing of all in house built computer products.

    1977-79 Self employed hydrographic survey engineer

    1975-77 Decca survey – Hydrographic survey engineer

    1972-75 South London technical collage – Radio Officer Merchant Navy

    1972-72 Decca Radar- Test engineer

    1964-72 Royal Navy – Petty Officer Radio Electrician

    And like you Jim, it seems That I can't legally put a bl**dy socket in. :madder:
     
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    Or fold socks
     
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    That's what I always thought but we are talking about the law here not common sense!

    Still plenty you can do without notifying or certifying I think. Anyway as long as you saved some of the old coloured wiring whose to know what is old and new? Got plenty of the 1.5mm left yet so OK for lighting.
     
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    I'm similar to ScotJimland
    By job I design, manage and deliver Data Centre power upgrades - and have 25 years experience. I work live up to 11KV, and am an Authorised Person. I'm authorised to work in and around 132KV primary substations. I have more than a few electrical qualifications including C&G2391 Test & Inspection - which means I can test and inspect (and sign off) electrical installations.
    But I'm not, and have no desire to, be Part P - so I'll leave the "complex installs" to others :D
     
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    Ok Mr B your hired
     
  19. NickNic

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    That is, and always has been the silly thing about Part P - it only applies to domestic installations.
     
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    ha ha .. de ha ha ..up yours too :boxing:
     
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