What scooter size in Cipro garage

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  1. Kizmax

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    Hi again , I am looking at a Honda scooter that's 124 kgs , does anyone know if this is too heavy for my cipro garage
    Thanks in advance :Smile:
    Ok anyone know where I can look up this info please
     
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    Just bought a Honda Vision twist & Go, its about 100kg with a 100cc engine and it goes like a rocket, they say you could double the axle load with garage stuff so that could make it a bit better if you are getting a 125cc one

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    Yes hi mine says 100 kgs but that seems very small for the garage size and I have 700 kgs overall to play with
     
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    I'm a bit confused now. Do you mean your garage has a label within it stating max loading of 100kg? Actual size of garage often has no bearing on the load it can carry. Rear axle load limit is the one to watch. Overhang length also comes into the equation.
     
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    Best thing is to weigh your back axle and see how much extra load you can put on it. The max weight for the back axle is on the rating plate, usually the third line.
    Because of the overhang of the garage you may need to double the effective weight of the scooter.
    I.e. if you havent got 248kg spare capacity on your back axle you probably can't carry it.
     
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    Hi Maz the actual load carrying capacity of the garage has nothing to do with axle weights . It is what the actual floor of the garage has been designed to carry . ie the strength and capabilitaes of the flooor base and fixings etc. Hope this helps:thumb:
     
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    So even if the garage floor is labelled that it can take 100kg it doesn't necessarily mean you can put 100kg in it, because the lever action on the rear axle because of the overhang could take the van over the rear axle limit. Is that right?
     
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    Hi all I am lost the total weight is 3800kg
    Front axle is 1600 kg
    Rear axle 2250 kg
    Gross train 1200 kg
    And it does say 100 kg max on the sticker in the garage
    Any ideas 'now
     
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    OK, so having got the relevant limits, we can work out what you can load.

    Firstly, you cannot put more than 100 kg in the garage, since that is limited by the garage floor and, more likely, the ability of the chassis extensions on which it sits.
    Secondly, if you load the garage fully, you must ensure that the rear axle load does not exceed 2,250kg.
    Thirdly, the whole van must not weigh more than 3,800 kg.

    So, your first choice of Honda scooter is out since it weighs more than the garage limit. Unless you only want to put a smaller scooter in the garage and nothing else, I would suggest the scooter option might be a non-starter. That seems a bit limiting since the garage is a great place for loads of gear.

    If you can find a light scooter, the only sure way to tell whether you will be OK on the other limits is to load everything you would normally use, other than the scooter and take the van to a weighbridge (making sure, of course, that anything you 'normally' put in the garage will sum to less than 100 kg when the scooter is added).
    Then, with the known front and rear axle weights, measure the distance from the rear axle to the line in the garage where the scooter's wheels will rest (the overhang).
    Then go to this website page, scroll down to the section on overhang and apply the formula you will find there.
    http://www.caravanguard.co.uk/news/how-to-calculate-your-motorhome’s-safe-weight-limits-4104/

    Obviously, this assumes you do not plan to add any new attachments at the rear such as a towbar or bike rack.

    p.s. 100 kg seems a very low limit for a garage. From memory, I think the limit on my Hymer is 350 kg.
     
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    as a retired engineer, I am certain you understand the fulcrum effect and that the load on the rear axle is amplified the further behind the axle the load is. basically though, most garages in motorhomes are limited to what the floor can take. its only a bit of plywood and not really much use for loading in a heavy motorcycle.
     
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    Thanks guys very informative I do understand the fulcrum effect and the overhang but this garage looks substantial and is thread plate lined which in itself is very strong, and your hymer had a 350 kg limit I just can't see why the make a Garage and it won't carry a smallish bike
     
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    One of the reasons I went for a Vision is the 100kg weight which would be OK for the garage floor, BUT, I did take the cowards way out and I am going to travel it in a small unbraked box trailer I have, today's job is bolting the paddock stand down and putting in some lashing down points in the floor.
     

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    Well I guess I will find out now because I am collecting the bike tomorrow morning, I got into the garage today and there is already a full 60 litre tank and tools all in all 160 kgs plus and all looked fine
    So I will lose the water and move some of the other bits forward
    If it feels dodgy I will sell it and by a smaller one but I need the power as we are both well fed:RollEyes:
     
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    Well guys I bought it rolled it in and have checked the height of the vehicle before and after and no difference when I get back home in 400 miles or so I will check underneath and see if and
    Y strengthening is required:Smile:
     

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