Weight plate info needed

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  1. Jaws

    Jaws Funster Life Member

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    Got an 07 Pug boxer ( pre facelift ) and just had it on the weigh bridge

    The weight plate on the front cross member has the following

    3500
    5500
    1850
    2120

    Now according to the above, adding the front and rear axle weights it comes to 3970 kilos..

    On the weigh bridge this morning it came out at 1720 on the front, 1980 on the rear giving a total of of 3700k

    Sooooooooooooooooooooooo

    1) what is that 5500k ?
    2) Although the van is in total over 3500k the axle weights are greater..

    This was with the van loaded but not fully loaded ! :Smile:
     
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    I would guess "train weight"
     
  3. Jaws

    Jaws Funster Life Member

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    So even with just clothes, little food, no water and a few tools I am 200k over weight !!
     
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    Do you have any other plates such as a convertors quite often located in the stair wells of the doors? Otherwise it look like you need to get on to Svtech to see if you can uprate it.

    Out of interest does the V5 have a max weight on it?

    Derek
     
  5. Jaws

    Jaws Funster Life Member

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    The V5 says 3500 as well

    To say I am pee'd off is an understatement
    Just took everything ( food, clothing hu cables, tools etc etc ) out of it and it comes in at 3490 without a passenger

    So basically I have been sold a van that is not legally able to carry two people let alone any kit !

    No point in moaning to Miller as they NEVER reply to any questions or mails at all and whenever contacted my fone I just get fobbed off

    Soooo

    All I can do is have the suspension uprated and it replated ..

    Anyone know of somewhere in the Norfolk area that can do it ?
     
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    3500kg is the gross weight

    5500kg is the train weight....total weight of van (3500kg) plus trailer and load (2000kg)

    the axle weights will always add up to more than the gross to allow for uneven loading but the gross should never be exceeded...

    ie: if the rear actually weights 2120kg then the front cannot weigh more than 1380kg and visa versa, light rear/heavy front, and this applies no matter what the weight but the stated axle weights or the gross weight must never be exceeded.

    unfortunately you are overloaded by 200kg regardless of being under the max axle weights.

    if you arent fully loaded what will it weigh when you are.

    think you need to lighten the load some how or get the van re-plated to a higher gross weight.
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    SVTech will be able to replate and from what i read it can be done without them even seeing the van.

    basicly a paper excersize and you just send the documents..V5 etc.


    What we need from you - for all applications -
    • Your company name, address and postal code.
    • a contact name, and telephone number
    • the weight at which you wish to operate the vehicle
    • a photocopy of the vehicle's plating certificate. If this is the one out of the cab we also need the tyre sizes
    • the name of your preferred goods vehicle testing station
    • unladen weight ticket
    you should be able to go to 3850kg i think.

    worth giving them a ring to verify the proccess:thumb:


    SV Tech
     
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    I would be finding out what my rights are if this were me. As you cannot get in to legally drive it it should fall foul of the sales of goods act.

    Derek
     
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    I will try and keep it as simple as possible

    the first thing to say is you are overloaded and need to address that immediately

    the figure of 3500 is your maximum gross weight for the van
    the figure of 5500 is your maximum train weight
    the figure of 1850 is the maximum weight on your front axle
    the figure of 2120 is the maximum weight on your rear axle

    the difference between the axle weights and your gross weight is the leaway built into the van to make loading easier

    Please don't forget that the figure of 3500 is as you are on the road that includes driver passengers bags bottle of water sandwiches etc etc - if you put it in the vehicle and go on the road it will be weighed so that is the weight you need to get - if as papajohn says get the vehicle uprated can not be achieved then you need to consider a small trailer to balance your load.

    Personally I think that VOSA will be using their many enhanced powers to check weigh more an more motor homes in the coming year.

    Also bear in mind that as soon as you pass the magic 3500kg figure or hook a trailer on license / insurance / speed limits etc all change
     
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    Hi All
    Had a similar problem with our van, one phone call and SV tech issued an uprated chassis plate. :thumb:
    We could have gone to 3850kg with no changes or 4200kgs depending on what tyres were fitted.
    Like i said one phone call problem solved.



    regards...nige
     
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    I had the same issue.

    I now weigh 4t thanks to a phone call a paper exchange and £230 notes paid to SVtech.

    Your choice,

    as said, think the more popular motorhoming has become the more likely VOSA are to be weighing vans. I have seen an increase lately of VOSA vans on the road..
    There are some being weighed hotspots occuring

    Even at 4t I am still only just under when fully loaded.
     
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    thanks for the info..

    As I see it I am pretty well stuffed whichever way I go

    Trying to take legal action will take anything up to several years and lord only knows what the costs will be

    Uprating it to over 3.5t will mean 40mph on all roads cept motorways

    I think my best bet will be to go through everything and shed as much weight as I possibly can

    It will make a bit of a mockery of the whole thing ( the bloody van is SUPPOSED to be a 7 berth.. I can only presume it is aimed at folk who are 4 ft tall and weight less than 20 kilos )

    If I am careful I reckon I can get it down under the 3.5k ..

    Oh and just foned up SV Tech .. Sorry, there is no one here to take your call..
    DOH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Uprating the van..
    I believe that I will be limited to 40mph on all A roads ?
    And did it affect the road tax when you did yours ?
     
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    No you will not be restricted to 40mph on a roads
    the van will be classed as a private hgv so no tacho
    tax is cheaper and will be changed when you complete transfer
    insurance will need notifying but wont care.
    and thats it really.,

    SV tech probably finish early on a friday but very helpful people.:thumb:
     
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    You sir, have just made a fat old bloke happy !!

    I was starting to get really down about it all !

    Many thanks for all the iinfo and help to one and all :thumb::BigGrin:
     
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    Don't be hasty.

    Don't be too hasty . M/H's are rated at under 3500Kg to come in line with regulations in your favour. Look into M.O.T 's. New French speed limits for vehicles over 3500 kg
    Road tolls,driving licence requirements.People who have gone to the trouble of upping the weight will of course think it was the right thing for them.Consider all the pros and cons then make up your own mind its not clear cut.
     
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    Licence no issue, France ? Not a problem as I bloody hate the place and avoid it like the plague :BigGrin: ( always head straight for Belgium and up round Germany.. greedy rip off French and Swiss road tolls ( trolls !!! ) are not for me :Wink: ), MOT is not an issue
    I have to use the Forestry Commision testing centre anyway as none of the local 'normal' places are big enough to get the van in to !

    Yup, all in all I cannot see much of a downside to upsizing the plate rate ( though appreciate your input and caution )

    Oh and the other option is simply flog the van off and give up motorhoming as there is no way I could get anywhere near what I paid for the thing as it is not road legal and I will never in this lifetime be able to afford that sort of large again !!
    I suppose I could take out the fridge, oven, the rear bunks, not carry woman with me, no food and keep clothes to a minimum but that does not seem like too much fun to be honest . 200kilos is not that easy to get rid of :Eeek:

    Given the options I do not think I have too many choices really
     
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    the only real disadvantage, such as it is, of up-plating is the re-sale market.

    it would be restricted to drivers with a C1 licence only.

    drivers tested since '97 dont have C1 entitlement unless a further test is taken and a lot of newer drivers may not have this on their licence.

    just a minor restriction when selling but if you intend keeping the van then no problem.
     
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    Being realistic ( and taking in to account the dosh I have spent on the old girl with the sat system etc ) I cannot see us selling it on in the near future

    It does fit our needs so well too.. We would def be hard pushed to find something that can do the same as the Miller without the physical size ( and of course with size comes weight )

    I will be on the fone to SV Tech on Monday and let you know how I get on :Smile:
     
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    Simplest and easiest way is to put a hook on the back and tow a trailer - you can go up to 2 tonnes if you want to then put all the things you only need for long trips in there and then for a couple of nights rough it for long trips you can take all you want. And before someone asks no you can't put the missis in the trailer:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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