Vans weights ?

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  1. flashkim

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    Thanks info on van...Chausson Flash 03 ford LWB 2.2dt
    TRIGANO VDL 13*2001/116*0194 ETAP 2
    Engine bay plate reads
    3500Kg
    4500Kg
    1 1750Kg
    2 2250Kg

    any Ideas anyone, thanks Kim:thumb:

    Looking to carry a 120kg scooter
     
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    If i am not mistaken it means

    3500 max gross weight
    4500 max train weight,,,, i.e. can tow 1000kgs

    1750 max over front axle
    2250 max over rear axle:thumb:
     
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    Ps.... you need to know your unladen weight and fully loaded weights to decde on 120kg bike.

    A visit to a weigh bridge is the only sure way
     
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    3500Kg = Maximum you can weigh at any given time
    4500Kg = Maximum Train weight fully loaded to 3500 and towing up to a max of 1000Kg
    1 1750Kg = Front axle weight absolute maximum
    2 2250Kg = Rear axle absolute maximum

    You will note that adding them together gives you 4000gk this is normal it does NOT mean you can run at 4000Gk unless you uprate the 3500Kg to 4000Gk
     
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    I am going to take off that filma bike rack (nearest I will ever get to riding a bike is if it has an engine) and buy this
    http://www.easylifter.co.uk/Hydraulic-Scooter-&-Bike-Rack.htm
    Fit on
    Weigh it all and see if I will be going away by myself and leaving Julia to some peace :Laughing:
     
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    Due to the overhand that scooter and carrier is going to add a good 200kg to the back axle.

    All guesswork 'till you weigh it. Might as well weigh it empty then you can be sure of the figures.

    You end up with something like a bottle of milk in the back and all the rest on the bed. What weight pushes down on the back axle also raises the front, so the front can be scarily light, not good on FWD.

    If you provide the distance from the back axle centre to the centre of where the bike will be and the wheelbase we'll soon do the sums.
     
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    Thanks for the offer Brian ...blooming cold out there today ,but I will do the measurements, thanks Kim :BigGrin:
     
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    Don't forget when weighing you need to include the weight of all the people who travel as well. Best to weigh it with the people in it as some ladies don't like to tell you their weight:BigGrin:
     
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    The spec for the flash 03 here http://www.highbridge-caravans.co.uk/brochures/Chausson2012tech.pdf

    Give wheel base as 3.75m and rear overhang 1.74m say 2m to centre of scooter load.

    so a 150kg load would add 150+(150*2/3.75)=230kg to the rear axle load I reckon

    Lunarman

    p.s. don't forget you will need to add the weight of a towbar as well
     
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    This may help you find the maximum payload of your MH.

    Mass in ready-to-smart mode is defined as follows:

    Mass of the empty vehicle (including on-board tool kit)
    + Diesel tank filled to 90%

    + 75 kg for driver

    + liquid gas bottle filled to 90%
    + fresh water tank filled to 90% (with 20 Ltrs. fresh water tank in driving mode)
    + fresh water boiler filled to 90%
    = Mass in ready-to-start mode

    When you have all this loaded into the MH take it to a Weighbridge, we were charged £5, and find out how much spare capacity you have.

    Deduct the weighed amount from your maximum payload (3500kg) to get the spare capacity.

    My MH has 380kg spare after weighing fully laden - but many are very close to the maximum and adding a 120kg (19 stone) bike may just be too much.

    Don't forget when you go on holiday you will usually have at least one more passenger, clothes, camping chairs and tables, possibly the dog/s, food and, despite them not all weighing a great deal, when they are added up could take you close or even over the payload maximum.

    Everyone should know the weight of their MH to avoid overloading as it is not only illegal but also dangerous to themselves and other road users.

    :france::france::france:
     
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    Just as a matter of interest, good old 1950s 'O' level physics.

    Moments about the front axle for the scooter:

    150 * ( 2 + 3.75 ) = 862.5 kg/m

    Moments about the front axle with respect to rear axle:

    862.5 / 3.75 = 230 kg. on the back axle.

    Moments about the rear axle:

    150 * 2 = 300kg/m
    300 / 3.75 = 80kg off the front axle.

    Final check 80 + 150 = 230.

    And this is why few MHs are seen with scooters on the back.
     
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    And this is why few MHs are seen with scooters on the back.[/quote]


    Brian is correct here,

    , 230 kilos can be 60% or more of your allowable pay load.

    as mentioned weight over an axle is also critical for example mine in 2000kgs over the rear axle.. when layden for touring ( and this is by weigh bridge ) its 1950kgs.
    not much left for the wine on the way home:cry:
     
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    Hi Kim,I would weigh yourself first there's a weight limit on scooters. Ha.ha.
    Keep on swivelling .
     
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    Its just as well I fitted that rear view camera ...too much swiveling... now have to drive backwards...oh well perhaps I will try it the other way up :Rofl1:
     
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    Brian is correct here,

    , 230 kilos can be 60% or more of your allowable pay load.

    as mentioned weight over an axle is also critical for example mine in 2000kgs over the rear axle.. when layden for touring ( and this is by weigh bridge ) its 1950kgs.
    not much left for the wine on the way home:cry:[/QUOTE]

    Motorhome review, swift 686 Vs Chausson flash03 (out and about mag)
    Payloads both break the half-tonne barrier and the Escape’s 531kg seems light compared to the Flash’s 656kg, but both are reasonable and quoted after allowance for weights of driver and fluids.
    cheers Kim :Smile:

    http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/Mo...-Flash-03-vs-Swift-Escape-686/_ch1_rw1021_pg1
     
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    There is one more very important load to be considered.

    Look in the vehicle handbook to find the maximum download that can be carried on the rear of the van (often in the range 100 to 200kg).

    It seems to me that the weight of this combination will be far to large for your van.
     
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    Like a nose weight ,Highbridge said 80Kg was mentioned somewhere..so I stood on the tow bar...and it never broke. :BigGrin:
    Thanks ,but as Chausson owners know the "handbook" is full of all the things you don't need to Know and very little of what you do.. Eg technical specifications . Now in contact with the manufacture in France and once I have some useful information from them I will post ,thanks again Kim
     
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    Chousson Flash 03 payload

    Have spoken to Chausson head office France they said a max of 100Kg in Garage

    A Max of 80Kg on a tow bar
    Then said to email a copy of registration document to them, so they would change the guarantee details. All in much better English than my french.

    So if you want a scooter/motorbike, a trailer it is then .Thanks for everyone's help and advice .
    Happy Christmas to all, Kim and Julia :BigGrin:
     
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    You can see why electric bikes are so popular. And in some ways much more fun than petrol because you can go in pedestrian areas.
     
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