Van won't start, suggestions?

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  1. Gromett

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    It turns over at full speed (new battery fully charged).
    Fuel pump is going ok.

    It does take a long time to start in the winter and monday it took a lot longer than usual. Today no amount of turning got it to start.

    Any suggestions as to what can cause this?
     
  2. Trikeman

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    Has you MoHo got heater plugs Gromett? Are they working?

    One of the most common issues with diesels not starting first click on a crisp winters morn.

    Regards,

    Trikeman.:Wink:
     
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    Just wondering that myself. Is there any way to test if they are working or not?
     
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    Firstly, you should have a warning light on your dash (usually orange curly type) when you turn on the ignition it should come on for a few seconds and then go out - when it goes out it is then ready to crank, the light going out is the signal that all's well and the heater plugs have heated up correctly and ready for go.
    That's the way ours is.

    I'd check that first - if this doesn't work then the testing should start.

    Regards,

    Trikeman. :Wink:
     
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    The light comes on and goes out pretty quick. a second or less.
     
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    Heater plugs would be my guess.

    Craig
     
  7. Gromett

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    All the garages are closed until the new year. I have no idea where to get any and how to fit them myself and I was supposed to be going away for new years eve.

    Damnit :shout::Angry:
     
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    Geo once pointed out that the light on some van lies to you, ours does.

    Switch on and listen, light goes out but 10/15 secs later you hear a relay drop.

    You should be able to clip a meter onto the heater plugs.

    A while ago someone posted a picture "what is this" and it was the heater controller on top of the battery and looking a bit sad.
     
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    Well that's sort of indicating they are working, a second is short but it seems to be going through the motions. Another (if the plugs are working correctly) is potential water in the filter housing freezing and transferring to the 'near' fuel making it waxy. Can you face the van into the sun with the bonnet up? Sometime this will get things up and running but wont cure the latter if that's the problem.
    Depending on the vehicle type, the fuel cut off switch/solenoid (what switches the engine off by stopping the fuel supply when you turn off the ignition) can suffer during cold if there's the slightest water in the fuel line. Sometimes a light,,,,,, and I mean light, tap on the fuel stop solenoid can allow fuel to be supplied for starting.

    Sorry Grommet, there can be several reasons and it will be a step by step process but the above I have seen being the most common, before you get into pumps, belts etc.

    Trikeman.:Wink:
     
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    that sounds like faulty plug/s or relay to me.

    to check voltage at plugs simply put a volt meter to earth and onto the plug terminal and turn on ignition...there should be 12v straight away.

    it takes a while to get the tip of the plug to glow white hot

    most reliable method of testing is removal and bench test.

    remove plugs
    hold plug body in one jump lead and place the other jump lead on the end terminal the connect to a charged battery.
    jump leads save messing about with bits of wire.

    maybe take 10 to 15 seconds to glow white and will remain too hot to touch for quite some time.
     
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    Thanks trikeman.

    I don't think it is fuel pump or anything like that as it did start monday after a lot of turning. It almost started today before going back to being dead...

    I will see if i can find the air filter and see what condition that is in. I have no idea where the fuel solonoid is..

    I am currently waiting for the batteries to recharge. I really hammered them trying to start it so I have put them on charge again.

    Once it gets back up to 14v for an hour I will try again but will leave the ignition on for 10 seconds or so before trying to turn it over just in case the coil light is lying.

    A friend of mine mentioned a spray which you can fire into the air filter.. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it worth trying?
     
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    Grommet if you are desperate to get away try and get hold of a can of Easystart from a local garage and put a tiny squirt up the air cleaner and turn engine straight away.

    Use only in an emergency until you get the problem solved .
     
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    What make ,model and year is the base vehicle and milage:thumb:
     
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    as a last resort to get you on your trip.....ether.

    spray some easi-start into the air filter while cranking.

    easi-start is far more volitile than diesel and will ignite without the help of glow plugs.
    may take a couple of seconds to get running properly.
     
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    I now just need to find a place that sells easy start :Doh:

    I am about a mile from town and the garages are all on the edges so lots and lots of walking :Sad:

    Thanks guys.
     
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    I am on my own so can't spray and turn the engine over at the same time. Does that rule out the use of Easy Start?
     
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    You should be able to do it on your own ,but not as easy ,what is the base vehicle ?
     
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    no, but it may take a few attempts to keep it running.
    if you were at the front you could keep giving it a spray every couple of seconds til it picked up.
    spray into the filter box then quickly get to the key.
     
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    Ditto!

    On the older vehicles I used to work on the ether can was on the chassis and you had a pull cord in the cab, crank, pull and yeehaa...... they stopped them though - remember them Pappajohn?:Wink:

    I do hope you get it going.

    Trikeman. :Wink:
     
  20. phil1946

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    According to the internet, and I have seen mentioned on another site, you can use WD40 sprayed into the intake (or air cleaner). Not quite so efficient but supposed to do less damage to the engine and you MIGHT have a can handy rather than having to walk to get Easistart.
     
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