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Someone has told me that any vehicle sold new on 3500kg can be replated to 3850.I am thinking of the Ford .Has anyone uprated the Ford ?
 

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Someone has told me that any vehicle sold new on 3500kg can be replated to 3850.I am thinking of the Ford .Has anyone uprated the Ford ?

Uprated weight value depends on individual & combined axle weight limits & chassis type, so 3850kg may not be possible in all instances, individual maximum axle weights should be shown on your vehicle plate.
 
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Someone has told me that any vehicle sold new on 3500kg can be replated to 3850.I am thinking of the Ford .Has anyone uprated the Ford ?
i would say "somebody" doesn't know his arse from his elbow. plenty of vans with a max weight of 3500kg are right on their maximum without changing tyres and adding to the suspension

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Uprated weight value depends on individual & combined axle weight limits, so 3850kg may not be possible in all instances, individual maximum axle weights should be shown on your vehicle plate.

Mine is 3500kg, with a train of 6500kg, front axle 2100kg and rear axle 2400kg.
Am I correct in thinking that I can uprate to 4500kg without any mods ?
 

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Mine is 3500kg, with a train of 6500kg, front axle 2100kg and rear axle 2400kg.
Am I correct in thinking that I can uprate to 4500kg without any mods ?

I'd be surprised if the uprated GVW could exactly match the combined axle weights as there'd be no margin for error & they'd be on the absolute design limit - if it's possible max' GVW is more likely to be in the region of 4000kg i.m.o - chassis dependent of course - no doubt given all the facts of your vehicle a professional could answer with absolute certainty.
 

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I'd be surprised if the uprated GVW could exactly match the combined axle weights as there'd be no margin for error & they'd be on the absolute design limit - if it's possible max' GVW is more likely to be in the region of 4000kg i.m.o - chassis dependent of course - no doubt given all the facts of your vehicle a professional could answer with absolute certainty.
Thanks for that, it's a hypothetical question at the moment any way, as I'm hoping to manage without uprating, but have a feeling that I will have to at some point.

Somewhere in the back of my mind, a figure of 4250kgs was achieved by one owner, but that may be wishful thinking on my behalf.

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Thanks for that, it's a hypothetical question at the moment any way, as I'm hoping to manage without uprating, but have a feeling that I will have to at some point.

Somewhere in the back of my mind, a figure of 4250kgs was achieved by one owner, but that may be wishful thinking on my behalf.

There's probably more involved than just axle weights, I would expect that the braking abilities of the vehicle would need to be taken into account as well, after all brakes that may bring a 3500kg laden vehicle to a safe stop may not be as effective if the vehicle actually does weigh 4000kg / 4250kg laden.
 

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There's probably more involved than just axle weights, I would expect that the braking abilities of the vehicle would need to be taken into account as well, after all brakes that may bring a 3500kg laden vehicle to a safe stop may not be as effective if the vehicle actually does weigh 4000kg / 4250kg laden.
That makes perfect sense and I've just found the thread on ASOF, where a Kingham owner uprated to 4250kg, so I've got an additional 0.75 tonnes to play with if needed.
 
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Not "any" vehicle.

Some definitely, perhaps even most, but not by any means any.
 
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@mojo if you're asking about your specific vehicle you really would be better off speaking to someone who really knows what they're doing rather than try and make sense of the hundred different answers you'll get here.

Speak to SV Tech, even if you don't want to use them for the actual uprate they'll be able to tell you instantly over the phone what options you have i.e. "nothing you're already maxed out" or "a paper exercise will give you X weight" or "making these modifications will give you X weight."

I don't want to turn this into yet another boring SV vs JR debate so yes, I know SV are more expensive but what they do have is an almost encyclopedic knowledge in their heads of makes and models of motorhome and what you can do to them.

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Mine is 3500kg, with a train of 6500kg, front axle 2100kg and rear axle 2400kg.
Am I correct in thinking that I can uprate to 4500kg without any mods ?
I assume you've got the Maxi heavy chassis with those axle max weights so 4250kg should be possible without any mods at all, to go to 4500kg would probably require rear suspension assistance and/or higher index tyres all round etc.

Thanks for that, it's a hypothetical question at the moment any way, as I'm hoping to manage without uprating, but have a feeling that I will have to at some point.

Somewhere in the back of my mind, a figure of 4250kgs was achieved by one owner, but that may be wishful thinking on my behalf.
I thought you might have been thinking of me as I uprated our Globecar from 3500kg to 4250kg via John Ruffles ... less than half the cost of SVTech and just as good in your case as it would be just a paper exercise, contact details are on the below thread - see my post #14:

http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum...ating-our-rapido-a-class.130317/#post-1855328
 

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@Minxy Girl Yes, it's the heavy chassis with twin leaf and AL-KO dual Air-Top suspension. I believe it also has the bigger wheels, which on paper at least, would allow an uprate to 4500kg.

4250kg will more than cater for my needs, but when/if the time comes, I might as well let them take it to its maximum.

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I was thinking of the Benimar being sold on a Ford.Emailed the dealer about uprating but got no reply.Assume you can not uprate as he could not be bothered as no sale if no uprate available.A generic enquiry on MHF as I dont have any info on the Ford axle weights,etc.
 
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Well I have now been told that the Benimar Tessoro 494 on Ford can be plated up to 3650 by the dealer.However its back to the search as the payload to start with is only 260kg ! What a pathetic amount. On top of that you can not upgrade the heating/water system to include electric .It is gas only so that on sites with all that electric you still use your own gas to heat the van and water ! Thats after paying £50,000 + .We use aires and wild but still use sites and cl sites.
Whoever designs these vans can not be motorhomers themselves.
I was keen to learn more about the Ford and its auto box but not many vans use this at present.

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Can't see it mentioned so far on this thread, but you'll also need a C1 class licence to be able to drive it. Maybe not a problem for you but something to think about when you come to sell it. (y) :)
 

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I have just had my Benimar Mileo 202 uprated to 3850 kgs as a paperwork exercise by J R Consultancy I was only going to go 3650 kgs but John told me I could go to 3850 kgs which is the sum of the 2 axle weights on the Fiat chassis plate with no modifications so went for that.
 

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