Update on Breakdown Part 2 (Peugeot Push Pins & Rocker Arm)

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  1. brodie

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    Hi all

    We have now got the diagnosis on the engine it was the cambelt that has slipped teeth due to a tensioner failing:Eeek:. We are now trying to locate replacement push rods & rocker arms.

    Does anyone know where we can get these from fairly quickly?

    The mechanic has been great by the way at last we have found someone who has experience with this kind of engine and is willing to put the work in, he didn't leave last night till nightfall.

    Select Sites have confirmed in writing that the site have agreed to move our booking on by a week :thumb:. So hopefully now once these other bits are on and we are all timed up we can get off again (although I am quite nervous).

    If anyone can help with the rods etc then I will be very grateful. :thumb:

    Thanks
    Vik
     
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    Has he established no valve damage? How?
    Geo
     
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    Perhaps he's established that the pushrods are bent, and have therefore taken the hit rather than the valves........................................or not!
     
  4. brodie

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    Hi Geo

    They haven't started it up yet is it only then that we will know of valve damage - is this right?

    Isn't it a bugger when you know so much about different things (hubby does I just pretend!:Rofl1:) yet when it is something like an engine we know bugger all so are relying on what we are being told by various people - we don't really even know what questions we should be asking. :Doh:

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    They are well bent Rich brought them home last night and they are nearly an s shape.
     
  6. Ralph-n-Bev

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    Vik will now be going no no no not more pleeeeaaaase.
    Well i would be , after you 2 posting that.
    Hope you get it sorted
    Note to self. Get our cam belt checked .
    Bev
     
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    Ouch:Eeek:

    What about the 'bottom end', big ends etc, are these being checked/replaced? My experience is at the very least the shells suffer damage and result quickly in oil pressure drop, not good, and also pistons/valves as Geo said?
     
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    No............get your cambelt tensioner checked



    I reckon if this engine needs - on first visual inspection - pushrods and rocker arms, it's fairly well bu&&ered. Even if you replace those parts, as others have said, what other gremlins lie in wait. If I was looking at a long trip to the South of France with a hastily assembled engine, I would want to be 200% sure it was not going to fail further. And no one can give you that sort of guarantee.

    If it was me, I would want a replacement engine.......minimum
     
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    I am losing the will to live
     
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    All sympathy to you.

    Re-reading your initial low-loader post, it would seem as if your m/h was driven for a fair few miles with this slipped cambelt problem. And you stopped when the poor dear wouldn't go any further.

    If I were you - for complete peace of mind - I would be looking at replacing the engine. No if's, no but's.....just do it. Should be found at online vehicle breakers. If you fix the engine you have, you don't know how much graunched metal is going to be in there swilling about in the oil, in fact, the swarf has probably already caused more damage just waiting to bite you on the ar$e further down the road......oil pump; big ends etc etc.

    You could of course ignore what I hope is my sage advice borne of experience.
     
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    I'm sure you will get it sorted.
    Its just the fact that you have the long journey to France straight after, with the kids thats the worry.
    Shame you haven't the time for a good long drive before , to set your mind at rest.
    I'm sure once its fixed , it will be fixed. Though im no mechanic !
    But its bound to be stressing you out. You wouldn't be normal otherwise:thumb:
    Bev
     
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    ...not knowing about online vehicle dismantlers but knowing a little bit about the real world dismantlers I am wondering how one would know about the condition of a second hand engine engine bought from this source?

    JJ
     
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    I could recite the proper proceeder for diagnostics, bore scope examination as a minimum, but hey I live in the real world too
    Yes, he's not wrong in telling you that.
    start it and see, however if there is any problems such as ok but not 100% running right he should do compression test to confirm or dismiss valve damage
    Any drop in compression on a cylinder or two will not really confirm valve problems, Only a head off and visual plus leak test will do that, the engine may well be worn more on those low cylinders and valves are ok
    Any misfire on any cylinder would point to valve damage however slight and running with a slight misfire if valve related will almost certainly burn out that valve over a given period, it may take days or months to show up
    Sorry to be the bearer of unwanted news but a head off inspection would be our minimum check, in order to guarantee a good repair
    Your engine has bee identified as a Most Likely to suffer valve damage type, in the event of belt failure
    Having said that engines that use push rods have a far better chance of running after replacing the rods and followers, than engines that use the overhead cam system (they die on the spot from cam belt failure)
    Geo
    Any one contemplating a cam belt change should have a full tensioner and pulley kit at the same time, and pay attention too and consider a water pump too if driven by the cam belt
     
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    Geo,
    {or any other knowledgeble folk !}
    what sort of price would you be expected to be paying to have a cam belt and tensioner replaced , on a fiat like ours please ? I'm going to get ours booked in before we have in reupholstered. Then theres no chance of them muckying it up whist doing it !
    Bev
     
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    Geo is quite correct the engine's cylinder head really does need to be taken off and inspected, the push rods have been bent by the pistons hitting the valves because of the cambelt slip.

    A valve even minutely bent will cause low compression with smoking etc, if the piston has hit the valves hard enough they too could be damaged.

    Sorry but I don't think this is a quick fix

    Regards Pat
     
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    I think from memory I paid about £230 at my local Garage. If your near to Geo you could get it booked in with him to ensure its done properly. I have told a story many times how I was charged by someone who did not even change the belt (I soon got my money back though when I showed him I had an idea of what I was talking about)

    Geo lives a little far from me to go to to get it done. But as said the £230 I paid was way cheaper than Geo's quote of £231 :BigGrin:

    If your van is coming up to 5 years then get it done. dont take the chance, like many you wont do the miles.

    But remember, any cam belt change/installation is only as god as the quality mechanic whom puts it on and or chooses decent quality kits to do it.
     
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    That was with hook up and coffee
    Things have gone up a touch since then and of course the cost and quality of parts argument allways come into play
    Im paying £80 plus for a kit some on here pointed out he gets them for £35 of e bay, Good luck to him:Doh:
    So prices will vary accordingly, and you dont have to pay for the Fiat name on parts to get top notch,:RollEyes:
    Fiat make nothing they buy all parts in, its knowing where from:Wink:
    Geo
     
  18. Ralph-n-Bev

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    Thanks Paul,
    At least we know an idea of how much to expect.
    We'd be getting a mechanic friend of Ralph's to do it. He does commercial vehicles including Ralph's tipper truck .
    ( hence getting it done before being reupholstered , he looks like a giant grease monster :Rofl1:)
    Its the same bloke that kindly gave us the nearly new Trojan batteries . Good bloke we'd trust him to do a good job :thumb: Ralph knows what to look for too.
    We've been meaning to get it done , but you know what its like, always something else. Ours is a 2006 Fiat.

    Someone else's misfortune always tends to jog you on though.
    What a nightmare for Brodie. Hope she gets everything sorted sooner , rather than later. So they can still go on holiday.
    Bev
     
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    If your mechanic cant fit a cambelt without mucking up the interior show him where the bonnet is:Doh: He's approching the job from the wrong end:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
    Being a HGV chap think your self luck he dont want to rip the cab off:Eek!:
     
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    Just incase he goes inside the cab to move it , Geo , im a bit of a clean freak:Wink:
    And Ralphs even more so:Rofl1:
     
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