Trike on tow (2 Viewers)

[Peter & Elaine]

Broken Link RemovedAs promised pics

 

[Peter & Elaine]

Trike pic 2

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[Peter & Elaine]

Trike pic3

As promised pics of my lift and tow system for our rewaco hs4
Trike as you can see front wheel drops in frame and locks trikes steering
So all articulation is done though tow ball
Braking and pulling is done though where frame attaches to trike bull bar so no pressure or steering though head stock

Or do you have better idea I am always willing to listen
And I sometimes take notice

And there is a strap over front wheel not shown

Thanks for looking peter

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[steveclecy]

Isn't your road steep?

Steve

 

[Peter & Elaine]

The roads ok it's my limited intelligence with a ipad that's to blame
Besides its fun taking of vertical

Just seen your previous occupation
Is it legal in your opinion

 

[steveclecy]

Hope you don't think I'm being a smart a**e - just trying to help

Steve

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[steveclecy]

and the third

 

[steveclecy]

In response to your question..............

no comment

Steve

 

[Peter & Elaine]

In response to your question..............

no comment

Steve

I expected the no comment bit I have a few mates who are in the force and 1 of them is in traffic none will make a positive yes or no it's a little Gray
it's well within the un braked issue what splits opinion is it trailer or recovery
And of course the old CE mark
General consensus is I would proberbly get nicked then up to judge if I pleaded it

Yes thanks for tipping photos I think it's a ipad thing works ok on PC (pun)

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[steveclecy]

You are absolutely right. By the letter of the law, illegal as it has a braking system and therefore should be working.

Yes, I guess well within the maximum unbraked trailer thing (750 kg) and therefore in the spirit of the law would be legal.

On your side is the fact there are so few Roads Policing officers now that to find one with the time on their hands to put the paperwork in - now that would be unlucky.

Also would the CPS want to prosecute? Probably not.

Biggest danger would be VOSA slapping an immediate prohibition on you.

Steve

 

[Peter & Elaine]

I have had many dealings with vosa in past with work and abnormal loads each area and officials have different interpretations
it always ends in court found guilty then reversed on appeal
We Can't win only lawyers win

 

[vwalan]

if it had a braked hitch you just run the cable to pull on the rear brake pedal . easy to do and then its legal.
definately not at the moment unless you drive very slow and pretend its a recovery.

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[Peter & Elaine]

I respect and fully understand your opinion
but its all about CE markings and is it a trailer or recovery they are very different things in the eyes of the law
If its a trailer I don't legally need it braked as it only weighs 420 kilos being less than 50% of the towing vehicles weight and under 750 kilos
This argument has been going on for years
I could soon adapt it to braked and I have everything I need to do it
But I am a stubborn old git and until I get nicked and someone clearly and legally makes it clear then I won't
I would take it into court if it came to it CE marking is problem and I am working on that with a tow bar manufacture see what develops

Good init

 

[vwalan]

but if a trailer as brakes fitted then they must work
you are governed by speed limits if on recovery .
i used mine for trike recovery never ever knew about speed limits or brakes years ago.
i still have a single bike tow spec. based around the intertrade version .

 

[Peter & Elaine]

Don't you just love it bloody mine field or what
Solution wait till I get nicked
I really can't see the law pulling me if it does happen it will be vosa
Wat and see but I won't use this sytem in Europe if it goes wrong with law it would be a nightmare getting it all back home not to mention costs

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[vwalan]

its not a minefield its very easy to understand the rules . they have been around a long time.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives..../roads/vehicles/vssafety/factsheetaframes.pdf
this tries to explain most of it.

 

[Peter & Elaine]

You sir are my hero I have been looking for a valid explanation for a long time when you try to read though the directives it's bloody complicated and full of referrals to other directives that just run around in circles

This will satisfy a pull by the law and gives a strong argument with vosa
But I like the last point he makes about it will take a court to make a final judgement cop out or what
I love the british legal system nobody will say yes or no even when a previous judgment has been made

New hitch to be ordered
and will be fitting cables next week
Keep you posted
Again many thanks

 

[Chris]

Off topic, but do you enjoy riding the trike when off on trips?

It certainly looks cool:thumb:

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[Wildman]

Any trailer or towed vehicle irrespective of weight the following applies
If brakes are fitted they must work end of story. Yet there are plenty who ignore that and have done so for years.

 

[Peter & Elaine]

It brings a whole new world to motorhome use
We have always had bikes and camping but as we got older it lost its appeal so we moved over to trikes and trailer tents again as you get older you want the comfort so we got rid of everything and bought the van and rewaco
It's as near perfect as we could get comfortable living and freedom there is nothing better on a summers day to just go for a run out to coast or just a local run for a meal when on sites we have transport to go where we like and no matter where we stop its a head turner some times we can't get away from people with questions it's quite a buzz and I don't mind
Shortest run chip shop
Longest run trike alone from home to Portsmouth Santander crossing and rode it home via Rotterdam
Elaine would never let me part with it nor would I want to
It's proberbly the most fun we get together
I think snowbird is same with his buggy
as we come closer to retirement I believe it will get more and more use

Do we enjoy it the word enjoy does not even come close

 

[vwalan]

best be safe than sorry.
i always carry an old card from my garage and would say i,m on recovery . but hope i,m not caught going too quick.
feel free to ask any questions on it anytime.
i have spent hours and hours over the years on this and the 5er regs .
the rules dont have to make sense . they are just rules .
glad to help.

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[Chris]

Thanks.

The part I wouldn't like is the attention and people talking to me all the time.

But then I am an unsociable git most of the time.

 

[Peter & Elaine]

Great now that's over shall we start on
Crash helmets and seat belts
Another mine field in EU regs

 

[vwalan]

i use a chinese dax style bike now .this was one of my trikes.
keep thinking about another but bit hard fitting it in the trailer .
mind i like the bike .

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[vwalan]

right crash helmets not needed on a trike.
i took mine to france where one of the above pics was took.
seat belts not required if you sit astride on a trike . rear belts not required if a bar like a fairground ride is fitted. i built mine with one just to get round the requirements .

 

[Peter & Elaine]

We got pulled in France and the nice officer explained to Elaine I and I in perfect English forget that your in France now
Sit astride no seat belts lid on
Sit astride set belts on no lid
Now my English friend fine or lid
Sorry officer my mistake

 

[vwalan]

yes france is awkward at the time years ago in france trikes were illegal i wore a spanish steel helmet like in this pic.
never got stopped in france again . ha ha .
used to do alot of bike shows in france .

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[Peter & Elaine]

Thanks.

The part I wouldn't like is the attention and people talking to me all the time.

But then I am an unsociable git most of the time.

If we cross paths your welcome to have go somewhere big and open
You may surprise yourself it can be addictive
Born again bikers love em

 

[Peter & Elaine]

yes france is awkward at the time years ago in france trikes were illegal i wore a spanish steel helmet like in this pic.
never got stopped in france again . ha ha .
used to do alot of bike shows in france .

My brother in law has a Phoenix and he loves dressing up like Eric the Viking idiot but fun

 

[Spenders]

Yorkshire Triker?

Peter,

Do I recall that you live round the south Leeds neighbourhood? If so are you a member of Yorkshire Trikers?

My brother-in-law got a trike about a year ago, and is now on his second one. He's just been building a trailer I think to pull behind his camper on a trip to Normandy later this year.

They certainly get about a bit on it.

Simon

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