Travelling with passenger seat facing backwards.

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  1. NickNic

    NickNic Funster Life Member

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    Don't know if anyone can help with a definitive answer rather than guesses or opinions but I thought I'd ask anyway.

    Tomorrow I have the great misfortune to be travelling with 3 15 year olds down to Beautiful Days. Nicola has escaped the hell that this journey will be and is travelling with @St piran

    Our van has the swivel type cab seats and the passenger one will lock into place facing backwards i.e. 180° around from normal.

    My question is, because it is facing rearwards, not sideways or at any angle, is it legal to travel, with someone sat in it, in this position because then they can grunt at each other all the way down instead of one of them tormenting me.
     
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    I would say no, because a seatbelt cannot be worn in that position, the clip is on the wrong side in 'reverse' mode!
     
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    The seatbelt could be worn in ours as the entire seatbelt arrangement is part of the seat so it swivels with everything else. Thanks for the reply though (y)
     
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    I have never seen such an arrangement, and therefore stand corrected. In which case, I cannot think of any law that you (or more correctly the 15yo) would be breaking travelling in such a manner.
     
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    I suspect the seat may also not be designed to take the weight of someone hitting it from that direction if you had a head-on crash. It is a similar problem to why turning aircraft seats round to face backwards, as the RAF used to do on VC10s (and may still do) can't be done by other airlines just turning round their seats. The seats have to be designed to be used backwards as the weight of the body hits the back of the seat very high up. Of course in a car you could be rear-ended which would create forces on the back of the seat but I suspect they would be much less than you would experience running into something solid and stationary.
     
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    @DBK he did ask about legality, not safety ;-)
     
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    It's an A class so there's nothing of the original fitting points left.

    One would lead onto the other. I imagine it could be safe but still not legal rather than the other way round.
     
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    My only concern would be can you see the passenger wing mirror?
     
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    In actual fact usually the opposite is true, many things that are legal are very unsafe. Tobacco, Alcohol, legal highs etc, there really isn't any link between legality and safety.
     
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    this is not going to help much ... but; baby seats are fitted in the front seats rear facing! so why not, also our Adria has a rear facing seat which you can make up and only requires a lap belt.
     
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    I think, stress think, that the seats have to be fixed in their location for travelling. Does your passenger seat locked into the "reversed" position? Ours doesn't.
     
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    It has the high "bus" type mirrors so they aren't obstructed.

    Yes it does.
     
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    as you know many motorhomes have rear facing seats with lap belts. if the seat locks rear facing and the belt is fully operational cant see what the problem would be. its only because its the front seat your thinking about it... IMHO.
     
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    In that case I would say shouldn't be a problem, the seat anchors and seat belts are built to take a hit from any direction, so on that basis will be equally strong regarding of way its facing. Not being very clear but a front ender with seat backwards will place the same forces as a rear ender with seat forwards... hope that makes sense?
     
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    I would say on reflection, that it must be both safe and legal. The seat must in fact incorporate the seat belt, and thus the seat back must be designed for impact, since it has to obtain type approval. If the seat locks into place, and you can see the mirror, I can't see an issue.
     
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    Nick Is there anything in the manual about travelling whilst the seat is rear facing? Alternatively 3 rail or national express tickets (y)
     
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    That's my thinking. I just wondered if anyone could tell me 100% for certain if it's legal or not. I suppose Mr Plod will soon let me know if there's a problem.
     
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    The manual say nothing about the seats at all.

    Hmm. Rail or bus.

    These are three 15 year old front row forwards we're talking about. If I let them do that they would end up in three different locations all of them wrong! :D
     
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    Yes I think its OK
    I have done the same thing(Rapido A class)
    My only sugestion whoul be to turn the passenger air bag off.
    As this whould hit the seat very hard in a accident.
    With bus mirrors vision is no problem
     
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    We have 2 rear facing dinette fully belted seats so I wouldn't have thought it would be a problem.

    I don't think the mechanism in the rear facing seatbelt is any different to that on the front seat.
     
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