traumatic c

Discussion in 'Heating and Air-Conditioning' started by Darren, Feb 8, 2016.

  1. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    im in Spain at the moment. I have just switched to a Spanish butane bottle, the fridge and cooker works on it but the heating will not fire up on it. When I put my calor propane bottle back on it fires up straight away. Anyone had this problem?
     
  2. BONZO

    BONZO Funster

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    160
    Location:
    Rotherham
    Could it be the presher turn others off and try heating then put others on one by one .
     
  3. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    Still the same even putting one piece of equipment on one at a time. The boiler will not fire up on Spanish gas
     
  4. stuurman

    stuurman Funster

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2008
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    42
    Location:
    in my van all over Europe
    Propane vs butane?
     
  5. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    Should my van not run on either?
     
  6. Lenny HB

    Lenny HB Funster

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    5,216
    Likes Received:
    5,017
    Location:
    West Sussex
    Common problem with Combi's, butane can not deliver a high enough flow rate, problem is worse the colder it is, as then the butane can't gas off fast enough.
     
  7. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    What regulator(s) are you using ?

    A bulkhead 30mb or top of bottle regulators ?
     
  8. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    I have the jumbo adaptor on the bottle which then goes to the bulk head regulator
     
  9. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    so should be ok..

    what is the weather like.. is it cold at night ?

    It may be too cold for Butane to work properly.. If below 6c it stops gassing ..
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Minxy Girl

    Minxy Girl Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2007
    Messages:
    8,491
    Likes Received:
    9,843
    Location:
    E Yorks
    I suspect its because it's butane rather than propane - whilst your other appliances work they won't have such a high demand for gas as the heating will so couple that with it being cool, hence why you want the heating on, then butane will not gas so well as when it's warm ... when you DON'T need the heating on.:doh:
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2016
  11. Lenny HB

    Lenny HB Funster

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    5,216
    Likes Received:
    5,017
    Location:
    West Sussex
    Just to be perdantic butane stopps gasing at 0c, agree it is useless at 6c not much cop until above 10c.:)
     
  12. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    in pedantic mode.. Boiling point of Butane is -1 °C but who cares..

    my post wasn't a chemistry lesson, but just good old fashioned practical advice.. as you said.. at 6c Butane is all but useless
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    I have tried it in the middle of the day when it's warm and still no lighting. This afternoon I am going to try and swap it for a propane one. Maybe these combo boilers do not like butane?
     
  14. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    provided it isn't too cold.. it shouldn't be a problem on Butane

    .. Truma information says it should work equally well on either gas

    have you tried another bottle of Butane ? could you borrow one just to test ?
     
  15. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    I'm going to change it for a propane bottle The nights have started to really drop in temperature so I think a propane bottle is the way to go till I get home.
     
  16. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    good plan..

    even when it gets warmer during the day, the Butane in the bottle will take many hours to reach a decent temperature and gassing point.. if it ever does.. unless you warm it on the cooker (joke)

    I haven't used Butane in donkeys years..
     
  17. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    Update

    Have exchanged the orange butane bottle for an orange propano bottle. The Boiler fired up straight away and has been fine. Maybe these combo boilers don't like butane gas
     
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Minxy Girl

    Minxy Girl Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2007
    Messages:
    8,491
    Likes Received:
    9,843
    Location:
    E Yorks
    Looks like it was too 'cool' for the butane to gas properly, at least you can keep warm now!
     
  19. Darren

    Darren Funster

    Joined:
    May 27, 2014
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Canterbury Kent
    17 degrees today. Will investigate further when home
     
  20. JockandRita

    JockandRita Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2007
    Messages:
    5,653
    Likes Received:
    6,772
    Location:
    Lincs/Cambs border
    TBH Darren, no need to waste your time investigating, as the answers are above, ie, the butane gas was at too low a temperature to gas off, regardless of what the ambient temperature is.
    Changing over to propane solved the problem, as the liquid inside the cylinder was able to gass off at the lowere temperature. Like @scotjimland, I haven't used butane since my early caravanning days.......................when I found out why my heating wouldn't operate in March, with a full cylinder of.................... wait fot it.................butane. :LOL:

    Cheers,

    Jock. :)
     
Loading...

Share This Page