Tracker Systems

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  1. Jim

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    I have a few questions about vehicle tracking systems.

    1. Do you have a tracking system fitted to your motorhome?
    2. Did you have it fitted or was it installed from new?
    3. What are the advantages? Or is it just reduced insurance premiums?
    My insurance company will reduce my premiums by a few quid if i have one fitted but do I want my motorhome back if it was tracked and found in the hands of some Itinerants for a week or two? :Eeek:
     
  2. PenelopePitstop

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    1. Yes, we have Phantom Tracker - pro-active.
    2. We had it fitted after we bought the van.
    3. One of the advantages is the speedy recovery of your van after it's been stolen!:thumb::thumb:
    With the pro-active version we set the motion sensor whenever we leave the van. If the van is moved we are contacted by Phantom within minutes and they check whether we are with the van. This happens occasionally when we forget to disarm the motion sensor when we get back in the van!:Eeek: They are able to accurately pinpoint the position of the van.
     
  3. Cavendish

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    We were talking about trackers at the weekend and this is exactly what Matt said. No way jose. We'd sooner not see it again. :Tongue1:
     
  4. zaskar

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    Ditto!:BigGrin:
    I would also add to Penelopes accurate info that the people at Phantom are extremely nice and helpfull people to deal with.
    We had thier Pro Active system fitted on our caravan from new by the manufacturer (Abbey) and were so impressed by the level (and speed) of service that I insisted that I be able to fit thier system to my new 5ver when the insurers stipulated a tracking system of some type.
     
  5. zaskar

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    If you do a search on You tube, there is a promotional video by Phantom which seems to be being pushed as a "training" / information tool for the police force.
    In this video, it clearly states that in most cases, the unit (of what ever type) is recoved "on the road" before entry is actually gained.
    I can understand that people would not want a unit back after the Pikies had had thier grubby mits on it for a while, but the recovery rate is usually so quick that IMHO, it's not really an issue.
     
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    It came fitted on My Autotrail. But I doubt I would have it fitted myself. You get a small reduction in insurance premium of about 10%, which means a saving of £35 but you need to off set this against the cost of the tracker and the subscription.

    Andy
     
  7. zaskar

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    AHHH,:Doh: If I gave the impression i fitted it myself, I'm sorry.:Blush: i simply meant that I insisted that it was a Phantom system that was fitted. I'm not sure that they'll let you fit your own anyway. Quite apart from anything else, the insurers involved will insist on an installation certificate which can only be issued by a qualified/recognised/authorised installer.
    The reduction in insurance premiums isn't really worth considering IMHO. You'll never get the cost back unless you keep your unit for decades!:Rofl1:
    It's more a question of peace of mind knowing you've got a decent system fitted.
     
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    It's more a question of peace of mind knowing you've got a decent system fitted.[/QUOTE]

    Could'nt agree more.
    I have thought about paying the extra insurance and canceling the tracker subsription. Therfore saving £100 a year.

    Andy
     
  9. olley

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    Hi Jim two of the insurance companies I phoned last week insisted on an active tracker or they wouldn't insure me, that's on a £50,000 value. One wanted an immobiliser as well.

    I have a Phantom tracker but its not an pro-active one, Phantom quoted me £300 to upgrade.

    Olley
     
  10. Geo

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    There is a tracker fitted to my recovery it was on board when i bought it
    They want £100 per year to operate it
    £35 transfer fee to record me as the owner and wait for it




    £185 to send an engineer out to check and service it because its 5 years old:RollEyes:
    and for that I will save £18 per year on my trade policy

    Please explain why you insure your Motorhome for theft and then pay out again to minimise the insurers risk:Doh:
    it beats me
    Andy stick the £100 in yer pocket:thumb:
     
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  11. Thepips

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    My Subaru was fitted with the Phantom but that didn't stop the car being stolen. After I rang them they gave the current location to the police who couldn't find the car even though it was hidden less than half a mile away! In the end my nephew and I went out and we did find it, hidden in the bushes.
    Apparently this is the latest trick. Vehicles are stolen and hidden. If they aren't recovered within a few hours the car is retrieved.
    Quite honestly I wish we hadn't. The car had been used to ram raid a shop. The interior was comprehensively trashed where they had tried to find the tracker (we think).
    After this experience I really would prefer not to get it back after being stolen.

    Regards
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  12. Oldroadies

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    Just a few deterants we have put on our van to hopefully make a wouldbe thief think twice - don't forget that most thefts are either "to order" or because they are easy pickings.

    We do not have a tracker but a heavy duty disk lock on the steering wheel.

    A window sticker off Ebay saying that this van has a tracking device fitted,

    Also our number on the roof in large numbers and

    Lastly, we have a mobile phone hidden in a secret place (that can receive a signal, set on silent mode), which we turn on (the phone not the sound) when we go out - If they can pick up a mobile signal from deep in a jungle and pinpoint to within a few metres, it's got to be worth a try, so hopefully if we gave the police the mobile number it will ring long enough for them to get a fix.

    Hope these ideas are useful to some of you:Smile:
     
  13. Stephen & Jeannie

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    No use whatever !!

     
  14. Geo

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    Unless its a Murder enquiry or lost child I dont think they can or will get invovled. a court order may be reqd to trace a phone
    However there is software available to let you track your kids mobile and it whereabouts maybe you could track that phone that way
    worth a look
     
  15. zaskar

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    Simple!
    Some of us are worriers...............some of you are not.:Wink:
    Some of you are able to say to yourselves, "sod it, it's insured".
    Some of us can't, it means more to us than that, so we pay through the nose and try and do the best we can for a reasonable nights sleep.:Smile:
     
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    Found it common that the insurance wanted an immobilser as well. A tracker will assist recover but does not avoid the actually theft. An immobilser will assist that. Our insurance insted on a Cat 2 Immobilser.

    A Phantom passive was fitted when we bought the van. I wanted to check its approvals and was told that it was Sold Secure Gold but could not obtain confirmation even after calling Sold Secure. I then wanted to upgrade to the active tracker but it seems it uses an external motion detector and that had to be purchased in addition (probably the reason for your £300 quote). The Phantom is also not Thatcham TQA or Cat 5 approved.

    Was not happy with the answers that I got from Phantom on the issues relating to Sold Secure, Thatcham or upgrade to the Active unit so in the end have decided to dump the tracker and have a Trackstar active unit installed which is both Sold Secure Gold and Thatcham TQA standard (full cat 5 was too expensive) approved.

    The Thatchcam site at thatcham.org | Security | Security Categories | Vehicle Location and Tracking briefly itemises the facilities of trackers and you have to do your own research as to which service is supplied by which supplier and which is of importance to you. Unfortunately Thatcham do not allow the general public to see the details of their standards.

    The Sold Secure site allow you to search for Sold Secure Gold certified devices. At the moment there are only 6 (Cheetah, Defender, 2 Cobra units, GPs Alert, Trackstar).

    It is a pity that there is not a single standard with information available that would allow the public to make an informed choice.
     
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    Trackstar, owned by Trafficmaster (the people that own and operate the blue cameras you see beside all the roads that sell all the information to local radios and the TMC that is sent to your navigation systems)

    Trackstar is the biggest selling GPS vehicle recovery system in the UK

    £299.00 installed with the first years subscription included, revcovery of the vehicle by the RAC and operates throughout Europe.

    Also it has been around for a long time:Wink:
     
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    We too had a Phantom but now that we have got a convertible car have had it transferred to that. With all the alarms on the motorhome we think someone would be pushed to get in let alone pinch it.
    SAGA havent given us a discount by the way for the car insurance:shout:
     
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    I am installing a GPS tracker that has no annual fee because it sends SMS texts to your phone and/or updates your account on a website with the location.

    If it's set to alert when moved, I'd get an SMS text saying when it was moved and I could then set it to text me every minute (or any time interval) with it's location which I can then give the location to the police for retrieval.

    Or, I can send a text to it at any time and it will reply with the location.

    I will install it behind panels so it's not visible, and I will not put a sticker on the van to say that I have a tracker on board, because trackers can be found and removed, so best not to let the criminals know until the police turn up.

    The device I'm getting is £120, and I'll update this thread with my experience with it.

    I much prefer the idea of this to a very expensive initial purchase and annual fee, not only on price but also in terms of control. It's ME who's contacted immediately if the van's moved, not someone else who then has to contact me if they're not busy. It's ME who can send a text to the tracker at any time and find out where it is.

    Also, the device I've bought can be set to output data to my account on a website that records the location all the time, and the route is visible on Google maps, so I get a useful feature even if the van isn't stolen (which I rather hope it won't), as I can use the map of the route after my journey's to see where I've been and for labelling photographs etc.
     
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