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  1. camocam1

    camocam1 Read Only Funster

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    this has probably been covered many times but as new to M/Homes just bought an 07 plate in july (ducatto body), it appears that although only do 16k miles the timing belt should be chanced per fiat service schedule (every 5 years). have been quoted anything between £300 & £600 for this.
    The question is does need to be done with such a low milage ( believe milage advised for changing is 115k). Any advise / comments would be welcomed
     
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    Yes just do it don't be tight.got a fiat 2.8jdt myself. Your quote seems bit high but remember rubber deteriorates over time.Do it now for a few quid or risk thousands on an engine re build later
     
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    It's difficult
    I replaced mine after 3 owners 8,700 miles because it was 6 years old.
    The belt was like new on inspection after I paid for it replacing :Doh:
     
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    which would you prefer.....£300 now or £1300 and upwards if the belt breaks ?

    £250 to £300 is an average price.

    whoever does the belt change, insist they use a quality branded belt (Gates etc, not a Chinese copy) and also fit new tensioner and idler pulley's as well..but i think your prices include this

    average Fiat recommended mileage is around 80'000 miles or 4 to 5 years depending on engine model and year
     
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  5. Vlad The Impaler

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    Just a though deciding whether to give it plenty tonight or to take it easy !
    After alli hate the smell of burning rubber..... Or Mabey that's just me
    Follow the instructions and proceed with caution(if she's got the patience )
     
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    Insisted mine was done at purchase (5 years old) even though it had only done 16k.
     
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    the ducato from 2006 on known as the x250, is different as the 2.2 100bhp and 3.0 160bhp have permanent timing chains rather than belts
     
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    When we bought our 2003 reg van in February I asked that the timing belt be changed even though the mileage was only around 25K. When the salesman checked the workshop ticket he found that the workshop foreman had it down for a change anyway. Theoretically it had a year to go on age but they (as well as we) wanted to play safe.

    Having suffered the consequences of a camshaft fracture which led to a timing belt failure in our Berlingo almost a year earlier I would definitely agree with Pappajohn's opening line :Smile:
     
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    Ours at the same age on the other hand , with 1 previous owner and 10k wasn't.
    You takes your chance .....
     
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    and just my luck that I have a 2007 130 multijet x250 and this has a timing belt, not a chain.

    It's a mamouth job and comes in at around 4 hours labour and involves a hoist. Taking mine down on Tuesday for the job to be done and thought when I saw your post I was being ripped off. Even dug out the log book, blew the dust off of it to check, appears there are 3 variations,
    2.2 100bhp
    3-0 160bhp

    and then my 2.3 :Angry:

    here's the official gumph


    The "for life" timing chain of 100 MultiJet, 160 MultiJet Power and 180 MultiJet Power engines does not need to be replaced.
    120 MultiJet, 130 MultiJet and 150 MultiJet engines have a timing belt which must be checked every 90,000 km and replaced every 180,000 km on Euro 4 engines, and checked every 96,000 km and replaced every 192,000 km on Euro 5 engines.
    On 115 MultiJet engines on the other hand, the belt must be checked every 48,000 km and replaced every 144,000 km.
    In all cases, the belt must be replaced every 5 year


    In answer to the OP's question, I personally would NEVER take a chance with the timing belt.
     
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  11. Letsgetaway

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    Hi there

    We also have a 2007 Fiat Ducato 2.3 which only had 11,000 on the clock so decided it was time to replace timing belt. After some research, it is recommended that not only the timing belt needs changing but the water pump, tensioner and idler is replaced at the same time.

    Quote from Fiat Vospers was £700 inc VAT. Our regular local mechanic (whom we trust) would get the genuine parts and fit from around £600-650. In the end we sourced pattern parts oursleves and had the fuel filter changed too, parts and fitting for £450. Having seen the belt that came off it did have very small cracks appearing behind the teeth.

    I definately think its worth doing for piece of mind even if the belt does turn out to be in good condition. Our mechanic also agreed it was worth doing including the water pump etc. :thumb: There'll be nothing worse than having the belt fitted and then the water pump goes etc later down the line and then having to repay for all that work to be done again.:Sad:
     
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    thanks for all the replies, looks like i had better get it done.

    ron
     
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    Oh dear. We're in for an MOT and service on Wednesday. It's 3 years since the last cam belt change and we've done 25,000 miles in that time so it's raid the piggy bank time. :cry:

    Ivy
     
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    Hi Ivy

    Not telling you not to change your cam belt but bear in mind the manufactures specification is 5 years or the mileage in the above post, which ever comes first. I think in most cases with motorhomes it's going to be the 5 years as they never seem to do that many miles.

    Regards
    Simon
     
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    timing belt failures are higher on short run stop start engines than motorway driven start once and run all day engines due to the start up tension.
     
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    plus vans that sit unused for months, the rubber on belts hardens and goes brittle quicker so always wise to air on the side of caution
     
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    Hi
    following my earlier answer, I have actually had my timing belt replaced today along with a new MOT.

    My van is the 2.3 X250 2007. I spoke with my garage whom are what I choose to call "real Mechanics"

    The price for the MOT, Service and Cambelt was £500+ vat.

    It was made up of £65 for the MOT
    £150 for the Service
    and the rest on the cam belt about £179 for the kit and then 4 hours of Labour at an honest rate of £40 per hour.

    The cambelt was booked at 4 hours of work in the book however, he said in truth it didn't take as long as that.

    I think my mechanic is an honest old school fella who does a good job. He always shows me what he has done and will provide me with the cambelt for a look at along with any other removed parts.

    He doesn't offer me a ride home a hire car or the best drinking chocolate on the market. He's not the most friendly guy and moans alot but, I trust him. :thumb:

    Hope this helps, and personally, a few things I would never skimp on- Tyres, Brakes, Oil's and the changing of a Cam Belt. :thumb:
     
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    Thanks for that haganap, as my mot is due end feb and will also need a service I may just wait and do it all then as MH probably only be out a couple of times between now and then, sound like you you have a good mechanic who knows what they are talking about.
     
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