throttle controlled electric bikes

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  1. MrsBB

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    I ve read all threads on electric bike section but cannot find anyone who has posted that has actually been fined for using a bike with a throttle. How risky is it ? Just had two new knees and am desperate to get back on a bike. However my confidence has gone and I'm gutted! Tried a volt Kensington and I must say james at the London branch was so patient and I actually managed to cycle after using throttle to start ! After reading of this throttle problem I decided this would be a waste of money as we want to cycle in Italy france Spain Austria Germany ..... Anywhere and everywhere ! I tried the kalkhoff pedal assist ..... Well I got on but I just couldn't turn pedal to get it going. So scared I'd fall off and knee hurt like mad! Major crisis of confidence. Need to know basically what my chances are of being fined which is why I need to hear from anyone who's actually been fined..... When where etc. Once I manage to set off I can actually cycle ( maybe not too far but Rome wasn't built in a day!) and didn't need the throttle but it's very presence gave me the confidence to cycle!

    Really would welcome advice. THANKS
     
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  2. sallylillian

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    If you have one of the crank driven bikes then there will be a walking button. This allows you to walk with the bike under power with heavy shopping for example, but it is limited to a very slow speed. This is legal in Europe. Now I have not tried it but perhaps it would be sufficient to get you going?
     
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    Pretty up to date with this info. IVS.ENQUIRIES@dft.gsi.gov.uk
    This was the advice given by the DVLA to contact the above email address with your enquiry. I quote
    "We have recently completed a review of the legislation and consulted on legislative changes that include an increase of maximum motor power from 200 watts to 250 watts, to harmonise with European rules.
    Subject to final Parliamentary approval, the intention is that new regulations will come into force on 6th April"
    Now it may be worth an email to them with the specific question relating to twist and go electric bikes.
    Whilst in Spain last year there was quite a stir with a twist and go bike rider being fined 2000 euros. It went to the court of appeal and the fine upheld!!! You must also make sure you are covered for public liability on ANY electric bike. Your household policy MAY cover you whilst in the UK but most don't cover you abroad.
    I cannot see individuals being fined at home with bikes purchased before the legistlation is passed, but Spain and Europe in general may be a different kettle of fish. A bit like 'A Frames' abroad if you are unlucky on the day! Good luck with your mobility.
     
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  4. Ber090

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    Hi Mrs BB, It will be amazing if someone replies who has been fined. You will of course get many a response from folks who met someone who knew someone who was fined. For what it is worth we have just returned from 2 months in Spain touring. My wife rode her AS bike everywhere and had many a chat with various levels of Police Officers ( Think its a uniform thing!) discussing everything including Ebikes and not one word of caution.
    Cheers
    Bernie & Rona
     
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    We have pedal assist Giant bikes,so,once I realised that the problem was only with throttle bikes I didn't read all of it-but,I got the impression that it was possible to be fined using a throttle bike without the necessary insurance documentation.Have you looked into obtaining said insurance ?
     
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  6. SandT

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    About as much chance of a fine as being gassed in a motorway service station!!!

    Incoming...... :reel:

    Terry
     
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    Had 2 bikes for four year never been stop and we tow grandson behind one of them.
     
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    I have..... as the bikes are legal in the UK they do not have to be registered with the DVLA and do not require motor insurance in the same way a car / motor bike would. I was unable to even get a quote.

    As the law is different in Europe (as far as throttles are concerned), in theory they need similar insurance to a car / motorbike BUT you need to insure the vehicle in your country of domicle.

    I would be happy to register / insure my bike in the UK (think it's a good idea anyway) but it appears there is no mechanism to do this.
     
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    The third party insurance isn't a problem, its the "motor" insurance part to cover the throttle part outside the UK. For that you need a reg number to be quoted on the document.
     
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  11. Judge Mental

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    Chances of being pulled with a throttle assist bike slim...but no denying the legal situation with them in mainland Europe ?

    Throttle bikes may well be easy to get going but are pretty hopeless in most respects at anything else!lol crank drive bikes much more powerful and better for hill climbing as well, near silent, lighter. Better handling etc.....

    Look for centre drive bikes from Bosch that also have a walk along throttle as Lillian suggested. Also and dont laugh! The answer maybe adult stabilisers... And yes they do exist and may well be the answer for you... And that serious!

    I'm on my phone in spain otherwise I would do some research for you

    Eddie



     
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  12. Neckender

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    I was caught out with the scare mongering about throttle Ebike's last year, but after 6 weeks use in Benidorm I soon stopped worrying.
    I will be leaving for Benidorm in 3 weeks and will be taking my Pro Rider throttle assist with me again.

    John.
     
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    Hi Mrs be
    I see that you live in Derbyshire I was there last week we visited parsley hay on the Tissington trail , there is a bike hire shop there and the young lad seemed very knowledgeable about e bikes and you can hire them there ,just a thought (y)
     
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    Judge Mental Funster Deceased RIP

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    Scare moungering? lol An article was copied from a spanish newspaper in a thread on here, where women was pulled and prosecuted for riding a low powered moped as bike was not EN 15194 compliant. She refused to pay the huge fine and ended up in court where she ended up paying even more. Chance of it happening to you negligible.....


    Anyway back on topic?

    http://www.getcycling.org.uk/details.php?id=466

    http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/walk-along-mode-2012-kalkhoff-agattu-8-panasonic.19190/
     
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    We've got two Volt bikes and they are brilliant!!
    We've risden them across Europe and never been stopped
    One thing to consider is that Volt bikes are very well engineered and as such are heavy to lift onto a bike rack even though the have an aluminium frame
    We overcame this problem by removing the battery and using a tow bar mounted bike rack which is much closer to the ground
    Best of luck.
     
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    Thanks .... The kalkhoff I tried had a walk assist button but I couldn't manage it .... My confidence rather than fault of system!
     
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    We have cycled hundreds of miles in all the above without problem. Soon to be cycling Germany/Italy. I'd be a touch uneasy in Spain right now.

    There seems to be just once terrible case costing €€€€€€€ but for all we know it could have been an attitude problem for the one Brit involved.

    On lake Garda, big signs "No Cycling", everyone cycles. Once a day Mr Plod arrives, goes "tut tut" and we get off. Mr Plod leaves, we all cycle.
     
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    Hey I'm not proud.... Already looked at stabilisers but £109 !!!! Trying other avenues first . Spent loads of time researching options ....just never found anyone who had actually been fined. Tried the crank drive belts on a boschsystem but it's my confidence and fear of falling that is biggest problem . Couldn't get past that first bit even with walk assist bit on. Agree hiring may be an option .
     
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