Those far "superior" continental vans.

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  1. haganap

    haganap Funster Life Member

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    I am now on my 4th van in 10 + years and have to say I will never believe the quality comments I read ever again.

    Van 1 ) 2003 Ci Carioca 5. 20k paid, 25k miles covered, slight bit of damp in locker, kids smashed it around slamming cupboards etc. Value for money 10/10

    Van 2) 2005 Adria 670 sk paid 23k smashed around all over the place, warm as toast in winter with a few minor changes, drove like a dream. lots of fun had lots of travels done 29k miles slight bit of damp in garage locker easily repaired. . Value 9/10

    van 3) 2007 Bessecar e765 p paid 37k - superb inside with fantastic comfort space and facilities including cooker, Microwave, fridge freezer, drove like a dream covered over 30k miles. carried out a number of modifications to take it Alpine skiing but was always OK in British winters. looked the part and was always commented on how nice it looked. Downside was front wheel drive and starting to need a little damp work but I mean a little. 9/10

    Van 4) 2009 Rapido 999 A class on Mercedes chassis with Auto Gearbox. 47K paid. Bathroom door fell off when replaced doesn't shut true, bed collapsed, sitting with a pan under the roof this weekend due to a seal leak, doors both leak.
    Shame, a well built van with masses of quality and nothing that I can't fix up but in terms of value for money?
    I think it's the cheap CI but really preferred the much inferior (according to some) British van.

    Many will say I've been unlucky, some will say lucky. I know I am lucky to be able to afford a motorhome and have good friends to help and me to be able to fix it myself.
     
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    But none of them were a quality German van.:LOL:
     
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    Our first coach built was a 1978 CI Motorhome built on a Ford Transit base. Bought it around 1989 with more than 80k miles on the clock. We kept it for 2 years and clocked up over 15k miles, loaded to the hilt and probably massively overweight most of the time.
    Dry as a bone inside and never let us down. All original interior in exceptional condition, heating was rubbish though, we didn't stay long in the Alps........
     
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    took the words right out of my mouth.. :LOL:
     
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    surely a contradiction
     
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    haganap Funster Life Member

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    No but I can give a list of German van owners I know that mane mine look like Bentley

    My point is they are all crap ..advice is spend little to get vfm
     
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    I was talking to a bloke in France with a new Hymer he hated it so many problems including the window falling out which he had to tie
     
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    First van was an old Frankia, riddled with damp but fixed it up & enjoyed it. Then We had a CI Riviera garage, great van. Only damp was caused by dealer (badly) fitting a reversing camera.
    Changed to our Adria Coral for a bigger fridge & roomier washroom, love it.
     
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    @haganap

    Paul, your opening post eloquently demonstrates the truism that the more we pay for a motorhome (or any other big ticket item) the higher our expectations are.. as you pointed out, it is also true that the VFM diminishes as the price increases.. The buyer who pays £5k for an old van has far fewer expectations.. than the one who pays £50k

    and provided it keeps you warm and dry and gets you there ..the £50k van does little more than the £5k van..

    Paying a high premium is no guarantee of quality.. it should be, but it's not always the case..

    When I got my pension lump sum I could have bought an almost new Hymer.. but felt it was better VFM to buy an older one at £19k... and have money left to use for other purposes.... A new Hymer wouldn't have been any better than the one I have.. and it wouldn't have made any difference to how we enjoy our trips..
     
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    I've had 2 of them quality built German cullinders.
     
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    The very reason we sold a year old then 2008 and reverted back to a solid built German 2002. Newer the van poorer the quality.
    Never mind matey they're all minor problems you can fix and I know you'll enjoy the van for sure.
    :)(y)
     
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    same model rapido as ours. good layout but ours doesn't leak, but ours is manual so must be the auto box makes it leak.
     
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    Currently mulling over the decision to either return van to the dealer for a refund (not sure how much, yet) or exchange for another. It would appear the salesman forgot to mention the bad damp situation. This has now been repaired. You could argue that as this has been fixed it would make more sense to keep it but it has hit our confidence in the vehicle. Still a good excuse to start looking at other vans :whistle2:
     
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    Quite a few folk on here lately with problem with Hymers, including leaks..
    My British Bessacarr E745 doesn't leak, stuff works as it should, has good heating, is comfortable and drives well.
    It's 2000 (W) reg, not thinking of changing it, certainly not for a leaky Hymer or Rapido (French built Hymer, isnt it?)
     
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    Interesting to read your comments OP.

    Having driven hundreds of thousands of miles in Transits, Sprinters, Crafter (nee’ LT's) old shapes versus the new shapes, I can only concur that the old engines and older type vehicles last longer and seem better built, both from an engine perspective and running gear. However, with all the technology that’s “needed" nowadays, it’s a little unfair to compare the old vs the new.. It’s a bit like an Apple, and a genetically modified Apple. Whereas before extra’s were, an extra. Today we expect those extra’s as standard and more.. Computers, ECU’s and electronic wizardry have replaced the Haynes manual. This is just the way it progresses I’m afraid....

    Great points tho by ScotJim...
     
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    Our first van was an 89 toyota hulux with a coach built hymer body had 18" wing mirrors to see past the body alas the bulkhead on the toyota rotted out after about 3 years so e-bayed it bought by a dealer for more than we paid for it and he was very happy with it
     
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    If the MH has been repaired it's unlikely that you'd get a refund
    Edit: did you pay for the repair yourself?
     
  20. haganap

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    interestingly for many years on this forum when I was looking at/for motorhomes, the Fiat V much better mercedes/ford insert fictitious make here. That would be another completely different argument but the amount of old(er) people to tell me to stay away from Fiat's was incredible. Yet, all the above other than the current model were Fiat's and I can honestly say NEVER once let me down other than 1 minor ocassion due to my phone stopping the imobiliser working.

    Of course, @ScotJim and @Forestboy are correct. VFM is irrespective of what you buy but what you spend. My van will be fixed up, it will be done by me (and one of my workers ;) @drago35uk @mitzimad ) to a standard that will end up being better than when it came out of the factory. I forgot to mention the leaky skylight and the pulsating pump too. My plan is to just keep the van forever as that's the only way to ensure VFM by holding on to it.
    All I'm really glad about is that I know lots about motorhomes but boy I feel sorry for Mr and Mrs B throwing their hard earned pension pot at our hobby.
     
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