The new iMac.. Have Apple shot themselves in the foot ?

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  1. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

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    A few weeks ago I was considering buying a new iMac, (not on sale yet, supposed to be released this month) but when I looked at the specs discovered it no longer has an optical drive..
    Frankly, I think Apple have shot themselves in the foot.. this a classic example of style over function..

    I wonder how many will buy one without realising that if you want to burn a movie made with Apple software you will need to buy an external drive ... :Doh:

    Consequently I dropped the idea and have ordered a desk top PC from PC Specialists.. For about the same money I will have a far better spec computer with a 180GB SSD and 2TB Western digital HDD , Quad core i7 processor with 16GB Ram.. and ohh yes.. a 24 x Dual DVD writer .. complete with a 22" Monitor ..

    Sorry Apple.. you must try harder .. I do like your products.. but ... that's too little for too much ..
     
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    I think Apple see this as the way forward. Physical media becomes much less important than the cloud. Films made on Macs can be transfered between devices. But you're right, much of the rest of the world is still using "traditional" technology. My dad still plays cassettes and prints out photographs.
    Why won't the older generation listen?:RollEyes:
     
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    Welcome to the real world Jim :BigGrin:
     
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    I appreciate what you say.. but apart from burning home movies, music, pictures etc .. you also use DVD for backing up, installing new software etc .

    .. yes, i know that can be done in 'the cloud'.. but personally I and many old fartes prefer hard copies for valuable data .. not in some cloud that may be gone tomorrow ..

    I may be old enough to be your dad.. but don't dad's always know best .. ? :Laughing:
     
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    Hi Jim,

    As an Apple user I am (slightly) inclined to agree with you. However since owning my Macbook Air for just over a year I have found very little need for disc drive and if I do then I just use the 'remote' access to my old Sony via wifi.

    In the case of Apple ownership it is not just about hardware. It is about ergonomic and anaesthetic design, and an OS that just runs rings around anything 'Microsoft' :Wink:

    I am certainly not an Apple 'fan boy' but I have to say that I have found the whole 'user' experience with Apple a very pleasurable one. The customer care is excellent, everything just works :Blush:, the operating system is a sheer delight (no more 'computer says no' moments) and the product quality is superb.

    Just to offer an alternative view, I believe that DVD's will become a thing of the past in the very near future (says he with over 700 DVD's :Blush: LOL).

    Your new computer does sound very tasty indeed and I am quite sure you will love it, but hey, don't knock Apple (too much:Wink:) for creating desirable products and leading the market.

    Don't shoot me, I just think I have to stand up for Apple here:BigGrin:

    As always............debate and opposite views are a good thing for all:thumb:

    Cheers :Smile:
     
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    "I may be old enough to be your dad.. but don't dad's always know best .. ?"
    Of course they do. I didn't think so at first but when my eldest asks me to fix his plumbing I realise they do.
    You're quite right, DVDs have a variety of functions but nowadays there seems to be little software exclusively available on DVD. Even operating systems are downloaded. They are also limited in space, usb sticks, memory cards and hard state drives are the future ... but for how long before the next invention.
     
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    I've had an iMac for about 18 months and as yet I have not used the DVD drive and I doubt I ever will. It's a work only machine so I have not missed it, but if it was a home machine then maybe I would have wanted to play the odd DVD Movie.

    The reality is the CD and DVD are dead they just don't know it yet. Music and software is all supplied via the cloud. and if you really need to stick something in the machine then a thumb drive is faster and 100 times more convenient than a cd or dvd.

    Apple are always way ahead, in two years time no machines will these drives fitted. and why would they. DVD is even less durable than magnetic tape as a backup and has to be treated with kid gloves for the whole of its short life. while it needs to be formatted, written in sessions, closed and doesn't like fingerprints etc Its a crap medium, good riddance.
     
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    My next computer doesn't have an internal optical drive. I just don't use them anymore except for ripping DVD's. For backups I use a USB 3 external hard drive. I just have too much data for DVD backups now.

    I don't need to burn videos I make. I keep them in digital format as everyone I want to share them with has a computer or tablet or phone to watch them on.

    I really don't have any need for a built in optical drive taking up valuable space.
    I think most people are the same these days. There are of course people who still want/need optical drives but I think they are in a shrinking minority.

    I remember apple had a similar outcry when they dumped floppy drives from their computers :Rofl1:
     
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    Thanks for all the opinions.. guess I'm just an old farte hanging onto the past..?

    well.. no actually, I do like to keep up with the latest ideas and technological advances .. but for a desk top home computer I want one.. so I'm having it :moon: :Laughing:

    but I liken it to motorhomes supplied with no spare wheel.. :Doh:
     
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    Hi

    well acquainted with Macs .. had several over the years, first one around 2001 . iBooks and Powerbooks..

    still have a 2004 iBook G4 PPC with a 100GB HDD and upgraded to 2GB RAM .. still plods along, but now unsupported by Apple and most third party software providers.. .. daughter prefers it to using Windows..

    also have 17" Powerbook G4 cost about £2k in 2005 , but now defunct and languishing in cupboard .. screen full of lines and touch pad u/s .. I was going to repair it but the cost of parts makes it uneconomical ..:Sad:
     
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    When I bought my first netbook I knew it had no optical drive and thought I wouldn't need one as I was only going to use it away from home. However, it wasn't all that long before I found a need for one and bought an external drive.

    It may well be the case that CDs/DVDs won't be used much longer as distribution media but I still have several dozen genealogy/history data CDs which I refer to from time to time. The data they contain aren't available elsewhere in many cases or, if they are, it is at extra cost. I suppose I could copy them onto an external hard drive but that would be an extra cost as well and one I don't feel like paying just yet.

    Having said that, I back up my files these days to networked and external hard drives rather than using CD/DVD, basically because (like Karl) I have too much data to mess about with optical media.

    At the end of the day, though, computers are merely tools. If they do what you want from them they are useful and if they don't do what you want they are useless.
     
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    Yes indeed Graham.. :thumb:
    I forgot about that when I was 'making the case' for optical drives.. we also have several data discs for family research .. 1881 Census being a good example, plus a few others and one with Scottish burial records..
     
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    One thing I am sure of, that is PC Specialist is the very best I've ever experienced.

    You don't ever find out how good they are until you have a concern. Brilliant bit of kit, and that is from someone who also has an iPhone and an iPad.
     
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    And W8 Jim?
    I took the plunge W 8 on my playtime PC then 3 days in and Just done Pams Office machine.
    was a bit of a clunker but it now flys, probably more to do with the clean up but still well impressed annoying at first finding things but soon overcome any probs
    My machine is a topish spec jobby (im an asus fan)and a speed improvement has been noticed on multitasking, I woulds say its as near to a Mac as ever :thumb:
    Geo
     
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    If the data is valuable then copy it to some other media ASAP. Especially if the disc has been printed, has a sticky label or has been written upon:thumb: DVDs fail, I know to my cost.
     
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    Very interesting Geo .. but
    I've decided to stick with W7 for the present .. maybe look to upgrade after the first service pack is released.. from what I've read it's not a big benefit without a touch screen .. ?

    Just this week downgraded two older laptops to XP Professional .. they now fly along ..
     
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    good advice Jim , already have them back-up to a hard drive .. and also made DVD copies..
     
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    I have a large archive of tech magazines on DVD. The first thing I did when I got them was copy them to a hard drive. Faster, more durable and easier to access.

    I wouldn't trust valuable data to a DVD rom...
     
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    thanks, it was after you recommended them a few weeks ago that I had a look at what they offered.. . took me a while to decide, but now bit the bullet ..
     
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    In that case Jim I really hope you're as pleased with the end result as I have been.

    I've never owned or run the same pc for over 5years before.
    :thumb:
     
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