suspensid coil re enforcers??

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  1. boogie

    boogie Read Only Funster

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    Hi!​

    I have a VW Gatcombe which comfortably accommodates 2 adults but has enough room on top for two small children, I would say.

    Last w.e my son went away with his partner and two very young kids, just for a weekend, and the load apparently was up to the max, and he said he could hear the back wheel rubbing on the wheel arch. He said he hadnt taken an extraordinary load with them though!

    So, I've been advised to buy supports for the existing suspension coils because I cant get the stronger ones fitted (not available).

    Can anyone comment on this? Are they effective or a waste of money?

    Thanks!
     
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    Firstly I would have the tyres checked to ensure they have not been damaged if they were rubbing on the bodywork.

    If the van was not overloaded then I would suspect the springs need replacing and wold have them checked as well.

    Brian
     
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    i would get the van on a weigh bridge just to find out how close to the max axle weight you actually are before spending any money on spring assisters.

    the type of assister you are talking about used to be very popular with volvo estate owners as they used to sag quite a lot when towing a caravan, they are cheap and easy enough to fit if you are able to get under the van to fit them although it will need jacking up to lower the axle provided it is on coil springs.

    my first port of call would be a local weigh bridge though and get the weight of the front axle , the rear axle and the total vehicle.

    i strongly suspect that your son was overloaded on the rear axle though.
    it is not uncommon in any means as the weight is never where you expect it to be and normally you dont have a great amount of capacity on smaller vans.
     
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    Hi Brian

    Thanks for what yu've put. Done both of those, the springs are new.
     
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    Hi boogie, that's great news, so it woul seem the van was probably overloaded.:Doh:

    Our previous m/h was an Autosleepers Windsor on which the rear cart spring were permanently flat.

    This we overcame by having http://www.as-airsuspension.co.uk/ fitted which cured the spring problem and made the van much better to drive, particularly on corners and in cross winds.

    The systems allows you to raise and lower the rear end from within the cab and can also help leveling on site. It does NOT increase your payload however, details of which you can find on a plate under the bonnet & can be checked out on a local weighbridge. (weigh front and rear axles separately)

    I note that you are in Cheshire & probably not far from AS-Air Suspension who are at Warrington so it would be worth a visit to get their opinion.

    The business is run by Phil & Cath who we found to be very genuine and helpful while providing a brilliant professional service.

    Brian
     
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    Would totally agree Air Suspension would seem the way to go, if every thing else is OK.

    We had it fitted to an earlier van and it totally cured our problem, and would have it fitted again if needed.

    As an extra we found the total ride package improved, how I first noticed the great improvement was on steep twisting descents with drop on one side, although not worried prior felt a new total confidence in handling and enjoyed the experience far more.
     
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    dont forget though that if you have air suspension fitted that added weight comes off what you can carry and VOSA are getting very keen on motorhomes as they know many are close to their max weight empty.

    they have also had a run on pulling panel vans with trailers knowing full well that most of them wont have the necessary tachograph fitted for being over 3.5ton.
     
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    I believe this is only necessary on vehicles for business use and would not affect a normal motorhome of any weight.
     
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    if you are running a trainweight over 7,500kg then tacho and drivers hours are needed. even if private .changed in 2007.
     
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    Another option to stiffen suspension is Monroe Max-Air Adjustable Shock Absorbers:

    I fitted them to a Volvo estate to stiffen up the rear for towing a caravan .. a bonus is there is no extra weight as they replace existing shocks.

    ** I'm not putting this forward as solution to overloading .. **

    but as an alternative to air rides ..

    A pair can maintain ride height when up to 1,100 lbs. of additional weight is loaded.

    http://www.monroe.com/products/Max-Air/Shock-Absorbers
     
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    maybe so but if you have a box trailer on your motorhome you may then become classed as goods and different rules apply

    so much as having a shovel in a caravan then deems it to be a goods trailer.

    VOSA are doing everything to justify their existence as the haulage industry is running a lot straighter than it used to so roll on this summer when they start on the motorhomes.

    they have also had a run on pulling horse boxes coming out of the arenas and asking how they had gone in the competitions to the reply "we got second" they then proceeded to prosecute due to not having appropriate insurance ie. "Not for hire or Reward" apparently if you receive a rosette it is then deemed as a reward.

    just a warning nothing more.
     
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    I know you are generally well clued up on this Alan.. but do you have a link ?

    I have searched and can't find it..

    this info is from UK MotorhomeNet

    Does my motorhome need a tachograph?

    Having heard from some owners of motorhomes with a GVW of over 7.5 tonnes that they had been told by VOSA that their vehicle must be fitted with a tachograph, we asked the Department for Transport for clarification of the legislation. The following summary has been agreed by the DfT as representing an accurate interpretation of the legislation:

    For a motorhome (i.e. a vehicle with the Body Type recorded as 'Motor Caravan' on the V5C and fully fitted out as a motorhome) of any GVW there is no requirement for a speed limiter to be fitted, there is no requirement for a tachograph to be fitted (or if already fitted, to be used), and drivers hours regulations do not apply. In all cases, provided that the vehicle has less than 9 passenger seats and that the vehicle is not used for carrying goods.

    'Living Vans', also 'Motor Caravans' of over 3500kg GVW used for carrying goods (for example traders who use their motorhome for carrying stock) are subject to goods vehicle regulations
     
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    Thats the way I read as it well. When someone made this same comment a while ago on here. The above was all I could find reference this.:thumb:
     
  14. boogie

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    Thank Brian for that! Sounds expensive though?? Any idea on cost? Do you have to do all four corners??
     
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    No, the air bags would only be fitted to the rear suspension and would probably cost around £800 + fitting but dependant on your particular chassis.

    There are cheaper systems around although not so easy to adjust and I do know that AS would make a good job and not far away from you.

    Brian
     
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    hope you can read this .its from the 2007 tacho book.
    it comes back to this carrying goods bit .a camper ovber 3,500kg is deemed to be carrying goods your non commercial cariage of goods . thats why you need a mid size licence up to 7,5 ton .over that hgv . also you get phg tax . either you accept this or none of the rules make sense.
    i spoke to vosa at the time they did laugh and say if they found a camper over 7.5 ton they would not bother to issue anything . too complicated . but if you read the third group down on the exemptions . it does say not exceeding . 7,500kg .
    vehicles or combinations of vehicles with a maximum permissable mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes used for the non commercialcarriage of goods.
     

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    hi jim . i forgot to add that thats eu rules .
    if you are exempt eu then you have to follow domestic rules .
    they exempt you if you arent connected to a business or a way of earning a living .
    but if over 7.5tonnes you arent exempt eu rules so should follow them.
    still back to is a motor home a hgv . if not why the licence.
     
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    Thanks Brian. Think that's above my budget, but appreciate your help!
     
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    Might this not just be a case of an inexperienced user loading everything at the back of the vehicle, rather than spreading the load more evenly?
     
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    Sorry, but that has to be complete B******S. If it were true then driving your vehicle to work would infringe the insurance, especially on payday:Rofl1:

    Pete:Cool:
     

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