Speed Stickers question for French Registered Camping Cars

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  1. OldAgeTravellers

    OldAgeTravellers Funster Life Member

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    I am in the process of registering my PHGV Hymer (4,500 kg), in France. Four months so far and it looks like in excess of €1,000 down. I will post the full story when and if I succeed. Luckily I have a very good French friend who is making the hundreds of complicated phone calls for me.
    We have our gas and electric check at the end of this month then we have a 270km round trip to Montpellier for what we hope will be the final check at DREAL. For that check and the subsequent CT (MOT) test I will I presume have to have Speed Stickers of 80, 100 and 110 on the back.
    The usual 150 or 200 mm ones for trucks, I think look hideous on the back of a beautiful Camping Car but I have seen tiny ones about 75mm on the back of many vans like the picture below.
    So my question is; Does anybody know where to get them? I have searched everywhere and can only come up with the big ones.
    Hopefully @yodeli or some of the other members in France will have an answer for me.
    On one of the French Forums where they were complaining about them bitterly there was a suggestion about tiny ones in Belgium but I have no idea where or what to search for.
    Thanks for any suggestions.
    Steve

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    Hi!

    This is what we call "une colle" which is a question I ignore the answer for one major reason , I have never bothered to have any. AND I went through the whole process of the DREAL as my motorhome is a 1991 one, so no certificate of conformity. It took me 3 months but Spitfire (funster living in France) was my saver. It has taken you 4 months? Gosh... what are the prob you were told (I fear the worst!)?? Please answer here before you get your gas and electricity checked! You might throw your money through the window. Which town are you going to for DREAL?
    As far as I know DREAL never asked to have the speed limit stickers on, they don't give a toss.

    I'll have a look but indeed , this is NOT your main worry at the present , believe me!

    http://www.stickair.fr/autocollants/autocollant.asp?n1=115&n2=651&prod=6680

    I don't think a small size one is really legal here, so you might get a fine for that.
     
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    As an observation from here in the UK

    I was under the impression for Non Commercial vehicles they are not required
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    If you do apply them and go faster than the limit of the stickers then you get a fine - - ie if you fit 110 sticker then do 130 on the Autoroute thats a fine if you are stopped


    So am I correct or is this just for foreign vehicles ??
     
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    This is what I just found . It says these stickers are only compulsory for over 3,5t motorhomes. Hence mine never needed one and the OP does need them .

    Kit de trois disques de limitation de vitesse pour coller à l'arrière de votre camping car poids lourd.

    Disques de vitesses OBLIGATOIRE pour les camping cars poids lourds

    Dans le kit : disques autocollant de 80, 100 et 110 km/h

    Diamètre des disques 200mm

    Modifié par Décret n°2008-754 du 30 juillet 2008 - art. 17

    La vitesse des véhicules visés à l'article R. 413-8 qui sont destinés au transport de personnes et dont le poids total autorisé en charge est supérieur à 3, 5 tonnes et inférieur ou égal à 12 tonnes est limitée à :

    110 km / h sur les autoroutes ;

    100 km / h sur les routes à deux chaussées séparées par un terre-plein central lorsqu'elles sont à caractère prioritaire et signalées comme telles ;

    80 km / h sur les autres routes.
     
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  5. OldAgeTravellers

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    Thanks @yodeli for coming back so quickly.
    First Hymer France took two months to provide a partial CoC which was just a copy of the German one with a covering attestation in French, and charged €260 for it.

    I started out asking our Mairie to do the registration for me and they fiddled about for a bit then said I needed a CT test so booked a test and when I got there he said I had to go to the place where they do trucks as he could only do up to 3500kg. So another appointment to be told he couldn't do it without the Carte Gris even though I told him that I couldn't get a Carte Gris until I had the test.
    After a lot of searching on the internet I found an official document on
    service-public.fr

    Which Says: Vous pouvez faire immatriculer en France un véhicule immatriculé précédemment dans un pays de l'Union européenne sans refaire en France le contrôle technique si celui-ci est toujours valable, c'est-à-dire s'il a moins de 6 mois.
    https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F16539
    Which means, for the English readers that a UK MOT is OK for the registration as long as it has 6 months left on it.

    So after checking for themselves the Mairie carried on then said they could not do it because the Hymer CoC did not have the French CV figure on it so as to be able to include a cheque for the tax. So that is when I gave up on the Marie and got my French friend involved, he phoned a lot of people then finally Hymer France to get the CV figure and they told him that their CoC was no good I would have to get one from Fiat. so another wait and another €200 and more confusion because the Fiat one said the gross weight was 4250kg not 4,500kg.

    So we filled out the DREAL forms anyway and sent them off with an explanation of why the vehicle had three different weight plates. One for the Fiat front end, one for the ALKO rear end and one for the finished vehicle by Hymer who had upgraded the front springs and wheels to increase the weight to 4500kg.

    The forms were sent off and amazingly DREAL actually emailed back within hours of receiving them that we had to book a gas and electric test with Veritas which is now booked for the end of this month which is the earliest they can do it and of course another €288 fee. They also said we had to get an official unladen weight with the van empty except for the fuel and water being full. Which we did yesterday after half a day trying to find an official weigh bridge.

    So it is all just the usual nightmare of French administration and why use one form when a hundred will justify our existence more.

    I can actually see the light at the end of the tunnel now, although it may be a train coming the other way!! I didn't expect the amount it has cost or the time but we couldn't find anything even close in France and certainly very few PHGV's so as to have a decent payload and as you know the prices here are easily 25% higher than the UK. We had a leVoyageur before, in fact still have because I haven't managed to sell it yet and by the time it had an awning, spare wheel and solar panels we had just 40 kg payload which means like most French Camping Cars always overloaded. So for peace of mind we just had to upgrade.

    Is yours over 3,500kg and you have never had problems with not having the speed stickers and no problem for the CT?

    Small stickers may not be correct but is having none more likely to get a fine than the wrong size?

    Steve
     
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    Ah, that answers my last question.
    I forgot to say we are in 34 Herault, so Montpellier for the DREAL if we lived just 1km to the west we would be in 11 Aude which is very much easier to register a vehicle.
    My brother failed to turn his motorbike French in five years in Herault but it just took one week when he moved to Aude
    Steve
     
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    OH HELL ,..... I had to go to veritas ... just to pay and hear them tell me, you have to change all : boiler, fridge, and heater! They are all pain in the a****!

    Just like you, I have been sent from one point to another (And "I" speak the language!) just to be robbed money at each stage. Just to be told each time ... yes but NO! whatever the question!
    I still don't know which DREAL you are meant to go to, but you said you had 275 kms to go to Montpellier? Is it the place? Please where are you? I can send you to the right person, the same Spitfire sent me to, he knows all and Brive DREAL seems to obey him at all times!!!It'
    I must ask him if he does the over 3,5t vehicles ( @spitfire , how big is yours?)

    Of course if you prefer to carry on , I won't do a thing.
    You might have more chance than I had. it all depends on the UK gas pression and the the year your van was made

    Up to you!
     
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    Thanks for the offer @yodeli we are right on the far western boarder of Herault just west of Olonzac so Montpellier is where we have to go which is 130km so 270km to go there and back.
    The Guy my friend is talking to at DREAL seems to want to help but if I fail after the last two hurdles then I will contact you.
    Our Hymer is only 4 years old so the gas is 30mbar which should be ok. But I have been advised to take our refillable gas bottles out as they will not pass them because they are applying the wrong rules, for liquid take off tanks not refillable bottles. Then to fit them back after we get the registration. They actually sell Gaslow bottles in Narbonne Accesories, so the usual French madness. Europe makes the rules then France just ignores them.
    Apart from the wine, weather and scenery etc. I don't know why we live here.
    Steve
     
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    Look at it like a French or a Spaniard would. Put the stickers on to pass the test & then remove & hunt down some of a size you want.(y)
     
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    I think that would be compulsory for French registered vehicles and possibly for vehicles transiting France. Italy are also in there. Swiss law is rather strange as regards HGV's.
    Also, I think that non perishable goods in HGV's can't transit or drive on Sundays.
     
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    Hi All,
    Thanks for all the input. I have just found this company on eBay who are prepared to make three specials exactly the size I want http://tinyurl.com/z6nkgnh ok twice the standard price but at £12 for the three much cheaper than the massive 200mm ones made for trucks.
    Steve
     
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    Hmmmmmm, we pick our new to us Hobby 700 tag up tomorrow, does it mean we will need some too? As for hgv's travelling on Sunday's I will have to make sure there's a lettuce in the fridge at all times. Perishable innitt see :D:D:D
     
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    Just as an extra info: You are not obliged to go to the nearest DREAL according to your address. Any Dreal can be used. Mine is in Toulouse, but I found out going to a smaller town is better , they don't try to steal your money, and it seems to be easier. I had my motorhome to pass it in Brive-La-Gaillarde.
     
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    This sound like a giant Pain in the arse, why all the fuss just to be able to pay them money, it looks cheaper to bring it back here every 6 months.
     
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    Unfortunately not being resident in the UK I can't get UK insurance and DVLA will not accept French insurance for road TAX. I could use my son's address but if there were a claim the insurance company would delight in saying we were not insured.
    But thanks for the suggestion. It's what we have to suffer for a lot of sunshine and good quality wine at £5 a gallon;)
     
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    Thanks Yodeli, I didn't know that. It may be worth me taking it to Aude which is much less of a pain than Herault.
     
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    Not sure where you live, but it is only necessary if you are French Registered. If you are legal in the UK then you are legal in France if UK registered. At the moment anyway.:)
     
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    OMG!!!! You pay that much?
     
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    You only have 90 days if you become a resident. As OAT has said they are French residents then they cannot legally drive anything other than a French plated vehicle whilst in France. The same applies to residents of other EU states. I.e. I can only drive a spanish registered vehicle in spain & you as a UK resident, can only drive a British registered one.
    The " 6 months " is a misnomer & only applies to holiday makers being the time you are allowed to be in an EU state before you are required to re-register any vehicle.
    Unfortunately this rarely comes into effect as if a person remains in another EU state for 90 days , with or without a vehicle, then they are obliged in most cases to register as a resident. & yes before you mention all those who are in Spain from October to next year. Yes they are all illegal. :) But if they leave before the 90 days then the clock resets. (y) Unfortunately it doesn't for the vehicle if you have one.:( & if you get to 183 days here , even by resetting the clock to avoid having to register as a "resident" you still become a "tax resident" & are required to file a declaration.:LOL:

    The DVLA will accept a 'foreign' insurance as long as the company has an affiliate that is registered in the UK.
    There are people here on local forums that have UK registered cars on spanish insurance & they tax online using it. The 2 main companies here are Liberty Seguros & Mapfre ,I believe. LS notifies dvla & MI database twice a week of all UK registered vehicles they have insured.
    Not that you want it but there might be French companies doing the same.
     
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    Welcome to France!!!!:france::wine:
     
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