Speed Limits - GOV.UK

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  1. PP Bear

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    Having a chat at work with one of my guys and we're talking about motorhome speed limits etc, so I call up the GOV.UK site and the limits are clearly posted for us to see :)

    Fine at this point and then read down the page reference motorhomes being classed as goods vehicles if:
    https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
    Motorhomes or motor caravans are classed as goods vehicles if they:
    • carry goods for exhibition and sale
    • are used as a workshop
    • are used for storage
    Sooooooooo, what exactly does the last statement mean "are used for storage" - I keep me pants, socks and other items from my 70,s wardrobe in my motorhome, is that classed as storage?

    So the question is this, what exactly does that statement mean???:censored:
     
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    On most government information sites there is a disclaimer along the lines of :-

    "The information in this document is a summary of the Department’s understanding of what the law requires. However, ultimately the interpretation of the law is a matter for the courts based on individual facts of any particular case. You are therefore advised to consult the relevant legislation and, if necessary, seek independent advice."

    So that clears that up then :)
     
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    I suspect that you probably only really need to worry about the opinion of the fashion police ;)
     
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    :LOL:

    Storage as in a commercial sense i would guess :)
     
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    I'm curious as to the definition of a workshop too. In general use, it implies tools, spanners & the like. But these days my tools are a laptop, a notepad & a pencil.

    I don't think I'll loose too much sleep over it & I certainly can't be bothered to try & decipher the Act itself.
     
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    Don't worry about it they are all too busy trying to catch the foreign drivers that just don't bother with the UK regs.
     
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    I agree. It's a bit like how HMRC view folk who trade on eBay. If you are trading with the intention of making a profit then you must declare your earnings and potentially pay any liability for tax on them.

    However, if you are just selling your old junk and probably selling them at a loss they are not interested.
     
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    Not most, all. They have to say that otherwise people would use their opinion as a defence for knowingly breaking the law.
     
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    Not being a lawyer and only vaguely understanding the difference between the legislature and the judiciary, though I do understand the reasons for them being separate, it seems a very complicated and unwieldy system.

    The legislature brings in a law which the various arms of the civil service interpret in different ways, where does that leave us, pig in the middle that's where!!

    Individuals cannot possibly afford to take a case to the high courts for rulings so we have to follow the interpretation, and pay the fines for offences, that may not be offences according to the interpretation of others, sometimes in the same department.

    Hope that makes sense........no wonder we need so many lawyers:D
     
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    If you could find a better system you would be a rich man :)

    The main problem is that laws are written in English, which is often imprecise as we know. Ergo the opportunity for multiple interpretations. A good example is that of CL usage discussed earlier this month. As you say, no wonder we need so many lawyers :)

    In most cases the interpretations arrived at by public servants are correct. These days forums such as this one exist for various legislative areas (I used to belong to some for Data Protection and FoI) and the combined experience of practitioners helps. However, they have to add the disclaimer just in case they are found to be wrong.
     
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    Fellow Funsters, many thanks for all the posts, but haven't a clue what you're on about, soooooooooo I'm nowhere nearer knowing what the interpretation of "used for storage" means :frowny:

    In plain English please :smiley:
     
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    you can find its not expensive to argue .
    i argued a speeding sign a few years ago . handled the magistrates court myself then had a soliciter and barraster on a no win no fee basis . if you have a good case there are lots out there . took 5 magistrate court do,s and 3 crown court do,s . but i won .
    as for storage . you store your own items in the vehicle . ?
    yes or no?
    the answer is yes .
    they are also your goods or burden .
     
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    At work we were given a load of bumf about speed limits of 50 single, 60 dual, 70 m/ways which is fine and the regulation states that these limits are for vans that have no car derivatives, eg. Astra van, fiesta van, berlingo van and so on. But where that takes the mini bus ones I don't know, is it a car? Is it a plane? No it's super tranny!:p
     
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    I understand a mini bus, camper van and some combi vans come under a different classification ie not under the hgv ruling.

    This means 70 mph on a dual carriage way, ie a two lane road with a permanent barrier down the middle between the opposite traveling carriage ways

    Hope that helps :)
     
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    That all depends on the weight of the motorhome. It's clearly stated on their Gov.UK site :)
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    ..... and then we start the fun of defining & establishing unladen weight. :unsure::confused:
     
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    It's like this PP. If you use your motorhome to STORE unwanted goods, (Wife, dog, Russian Hat, porn mags, Rupert the Bear costume), then that counts as 'goods and chattels'. Then your a trader. (y)
     
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    It would be interesting to see what tax class many of the traders are on at shows. Many I would think would cover all three of the criteria given.
     
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    Assuming the speed limits will be enforced by radar I doubt the ability of such a device to weigh a motorhome. I take a rather relaxed approach and I have not had a speeding ticket for a very long time.
     
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