speed limits? confusion

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  1. monty the motorhome

    monty the motorhome Read Only Funster

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    Off to France, Belgium and Netherlands.

    Our Swift escape 686 motorhome has a revenue weight of 3650kg gross. Does this mean we are over 3.5t. Getting confused with conversions.

    If that's the case does that mean for example on a French motorway do only 110Kph as against 130kph?

    In the UK then our mass in running order shows as 3054kg .
    On the UK gov speed limit site https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits a motorhome Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)
    Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight)

    Confused? Are we allowed to drive at 70 MPH on UK motorway or 60MPH.

    HELP?
     
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    your motorhome is 3.65t so over 3.5t by 150kg

    Your 'mass in running order' is 4kg over (3.054t) the maximum stated (3.05t).

    Technically you are restricted to 60mph on UK motorways and the lower limits in France.

    Moreso, you are restricted to 50mph on UK A roads instead of 60mph (excluding dual carraiageways when your limit is 60mph, not 70mph
     
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    Sorry but the way I read it, motorhomes over 3500kg can still do 70mph on motorways but only 60mph on dual carriageways, 50mph on single carriageways. I hope i'm not wrong cos i haven't even had a glass of wine tonight

    ps if a dual carriageway doesn't have a central reservation then the limit for a vehicle 3500kgs or under will be 60mph, at least that's my understanding courtesy of a speed awareness course a few years ago. see, I was listening...
     
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    As said, you are subject to limits that apply to vehicles over 3.5 tonnes GVW (MAM).

    In France, all single carriageway roads (outside built up areas) have a limit of 80 kph. Dual carriageways as you have already noted.
    In Belgium I'm not sure about motorhomes, probably the same as France, but for HGVs between 3.5 and 7.5 tonnes, it's 60 kph on single carriageway roads outside urban areas and 90 kph on all other roads.
    In the Netherlands it's 80 kph on all roads (including motorways) outside built up areas.
     
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    just drive slow . we hardly ever go over 50mph when away specially abroad. play the game . no toll roads . no motorways . avoid dual carriageways only drive on small roads pass through as many villages as you can . the limits are maximum not minimum. see how big a line of cars you can get behind you . its all good fun .
     
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    70 MPH in a motorhome , have a blowout and you will be issued with a pair of wings , speed kills !!
     
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    Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

    https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
     
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    the rods always seem to be clear when I am out with the van till I look in the mirrors :Rofl1:
     
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    apologies....i thought m/ways were 60mph but as i cruise at 50 to 55mph its irrelevant to me. .
     
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    The speed limits apply to motorhomes over 3.05 tonnes UNLADEN weight. Not MIRO.
     
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    I see others are as confused. But like Tony in the above post that's what through me.

    What is our max unladen weight? Is it Mass in running order?


    My dealer said when we got the motorhome that it was the same as a car re speeds. But then he won't be the one getting the fine.

    Thanks for the input.
     
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    Did the Dealer also say you can drive it on a Car License? (Check you have C1/C1E)

    I have often wondered what constitutes a dual carriageway (I tend to go by whether there is a barrier/verge separating the opposing traffic) so stick to 50 if there is only a double white line between. I also try to keep to 60 on the Motorways to get better fuel consumption.

    I have been thinking of putting stickers on the back to show why I am only doing 50 on a single carriageway but the people that get frustrated probably wouldnt care or understand as they blast past me.
     
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    If it doesn't have a central reservation then it isn't a dual carriageway as I became aware many years ago when nobbled by a speed camera on a 4 lane road(A556 near Lymm) in a truck doing 46 mph
     
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    Only applies if you're towing a trailer, or articulated (applies to 5th wheel set ups).
     
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    Most of us will do this but I'm adding a plea that if you do find there is a build up of vehicles behind you, or one vehicle that has been behind you for a while, please pull over when it is safe to let the traffic past. They may need to be somewhere by a certain time and, as it says on the information boards, "frustration causes accidents" - the wording always makes me giggle but the message s serious enough.
     
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    Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than [HI]3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight[/HI]

    Goods vehicles (not more than[HI] 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight[/HI])

    Another example of the complete inefficiency of the UK civil service/government.

    Many, many moons ago all UK vehicle legislation was based on unladen weight, over the years various parts have been amended to harmonise with EU legislation. There are other examples of these antiquated definitions throughout C&U regulations etc.

    At one point until a few years ago the rules for driving licences etc for some goods vehicles were changed from being based on 3 tons(3.05 tonnes) unladen weight to 7.5 tonnes MGVW, except for speed limits and the use of the third lane on motorways.

    This led to the ridiculous situation that vehicles within the same driving licence group and subject to the same weight limits came under different speed limits etc. 7.5 t MGVW with a flat body weighing under 3.05t unladen came under different regs than same vehicle with a curtainside body.

    This anomaly was amended a few years ago but they obviously forgot about motorhomes.
     
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    The issue of UNLADEN weight versus MIRO is a tricky one. About four years ago there was a DfT consultation on changing motorway speed limits and lane restrictions (it went nowhere) but I replied to the consultation and raised this issue. The DfT response accepted that ULW/MIRO was not something they had thought about - so no help there. I pointed out that very few motorhome owners would be able to identify the ULW. They might know the MIRO but would certainly know the MAM. So why not apply limits based on MAM as the rest of Europe does, and the UK does for goods vehicles? The 3.05 tonne ULW category is an aberration from an otherwise logical system. MAM is a much more sensible determinant of a vehicle's safety characteristics in terms of road holding and braking, since that is what the manufacturer has designed it to be able to do.
    So far, no changes apparent in the regulations.

    To further confuse matters, the limit for a 'white van' over 2 tonnes MAM is 50 mph on a single carriageway, 60 on a dual and 70 on a m-way. My opinion is that it is better to stick to the HGV limits rather than have to argue the toss with 'The Bill' or 'The Beak' if pulled over.
     
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    Think I'll play it safe when we get our van and stick to 30-50-60-70 as the maximums. I'm a country driver anyway. Better to be late than never.
     
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    I'm confused :Doh: When we got our van, it was plated at 3500 gross. Being an Autotrail, I was able to uprate this to 3650 with DVLA which I did through A/T as they accepted it was their error with the plating. Looking at the V5C, I see that the revenue weight is now 3650 (what I wanted) but "Maximum permissible mass" & "Mass in service" is still 3500. So, is my GVW 3500 or 3650??? :RollEyes:
     
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    Bump :thumb:
     

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