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Badknee

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i know this has been done to death time and time again, discussions about weights, discussions a boy vehicle types but this is in black and white from the DVLA website I found posted on Faceache. Check out the weight change, Bit of a game changer for most of us that don't you think?

Oh and don't shoot the messenger please. :D2


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yip... nothing to see here... unladen weight should not be recorded for MH -

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I've looked and can't see what I'm supposed to see as a change...
Could you be more specific..
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The one thing you can never find is how to determine the "unladen" weight of a motorhome.
 

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the OP thought the speed limit restriction based on the 3050kg Unladen weight was a change from the 3500kg maximum permitted laden weight... easy mistake

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In my van breaking speed limits is not something I generally have to worry about- I might break the 30mph at a push:D
 

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Well the Maximum weight for our forthcoming van is 3300kg and the user payload is 600kg so the unladen weight has to be ... taking one from the fairies and deducting the number I first thought of ... something less than 2700kg (y)
 
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Think of us as privileged.

A Ford Transit van or similar, not being a car derived van but a goods vehicle under 7.5t, is restricted to 50mph on a single carriageway and 60mph on a dual carriageway. So even an unladen Transit weighing less than 2000kgs is restricted but an empty motorhome weighing 3000kgs isn't.

Easy for the boys in blue to find the unladen weight if you crash and kill someone... and they will if they can show you're going too fast.

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Think of us as privileged.

A Ford Transit van or similar, not being a car derived van but a goods vehicle under 7.5t, is restricted to 50mph on a single carriageway and 60mph on a dual carriageway. So even an unladen Transit weighing less than 2000kgs is restricted but an empty motorhome weighing 3000kgs isn't.

Easy for the boys in blue to find the unladen weight if you crash and kill someone... and they will if they can show you're going too fast.

Has nobody told "White Van Man"?:confused:. Most have pedal to the metal under all conditions!!:whistle:.
 
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Though that is 3.05t UNLADEN weight.
Nothing has changed.
Correct, I didn't mean anything had changed. I was pointing out that it is quite an odd weight @3.05 as we talk about the 3.50 limits and offering disbelievers a chance to see it in black and white and not what the bloke down the pub recons :D

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Yes, I think a lot of people will be. Why 3.05? That's what confused me, it seems an odd weight to change speed limits?
Hmm, I wonder if it's got a hundredweight equivalent?
 
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How does plod know what the ulw is , V5 doesn't show it :)

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Don't know, why use ulw at all? We always go by mgw don't we?

Presumably an old set of rules. From memory commercial vehicles used to display ulw on the chassis, but gvw is the norm now.

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Think of us as privileged.

A Ford Transit van or similar, not being a car derived van but a goods vehicle under 7.5t, is restricted to 50mph on a single carriageway and 60mph on a dual carriageway. So even an unladen Transit weighing less than 2000kgs is restricted but an empty motorhome weighing 3000kgs isn't.
It is also a tad mental if you think about it. An unladen transit is quite a nimble beast these days. But it has the lower speed limits. So we take that base vehicle, cram in tonnes of gadgets and furniture, making it much more top heavy and call it a motor home, and the speed limit goes up!!!
I'm sure there is a really good reason, but right now I can't think of one :D
 
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In my last job before retirement I had a works van that was very lightly loaded 90% of the time (tools and a few spares) but our Moho's are usually at max weight all the time so in my opinion max speeds are important as brakes and suspension are having to cope with all the weight all the time.

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Yes, I think a lot of people will be. Why 3.05? That's what confused me, it seems an odd weight to change speed limits?
Hmm, I wonder if it's got a hundredweight equivalent?
60cwt, apart from changing to kg same law has been in force since the late 60's, early 70's.
Another anomaly the lower limits apply to vans but it does not apply to car derived vans so if you have a VW Transporter the higher limits apply as it was derived from the Caravell people carrier, where as a little Transit Connect the lower limits apply.
 
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[QUOTE="Lenny HB, post: 2185656, member: 658"]60cwt, apart from changing to kg same law has been in force since the late 60's, early 70's.
Another anomaly the lower limits apply to vans but it does not apply to car derived vans so if you have a VW Transporter the higher limits apply as it was derived from the Caravell people carrier, where as a little Transit Connect the lower limits apply.[/QUOTE]

A lot longer than that, all HGV legislation was based on 3 tons unladen weight until most of the legislation was changed to 7500 kilo maximum weight sometime in the 70's.

In the early 70's I worked for a building firm that had a small Bedford tipper with an official unladen weight just under the 3 ton limit for VED. HMRC (or whatever it was called then) insisted that it was weighed every year which was a real PIA involving attempting to clean all debris etc from the body, chassis, removing the spare wheel etc.

One anomaly that was created when the limit was changed involved the use of the outside lane on 3 lane motorways which stayed at the 3 ton ULW limit which meant that some 7500k trucks could use the 3rd lane and some heavier bodied ones couldn't. That anomaly was amended years ago, why the one being discussed wasn't is anyone's guess.

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If it isn't on the V5 where does that leave you? Does it mean if you should follow the rules for a goods vehicle?

Whether on the V5 or not I will keep within the law , just wonder how at the time a camera flashes it has the correct detail.
 
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I drive 40,000 miles a year. Barely a marked Traffic car around these days. I saw a BMW fly past me the other night on the motorway doing some speed over 70. Closely followed by a traffic Police BMW.

I thought agh, you've been nicked.

As we all came off at the junction, turns out the first BMW was an unmarked cop car.
 

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If it isn't on the V5 where does that leave you? Does it mean if you should follow the rules for a goods vehicle?
On the V55/4 registration form accompanying guidance note v355/4, with respect to box 17 (unladen weight), it says

"you do not have to give the weight if your vehicle weighs less than 3500kg (for example if it is a passenger car) unless the vehicle is a tricycle "

As a result I intend to leave the unladen weight box empty when I complete the V55/4 form

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If it isn't on the V5 where does that leave you? Does it mean if you should follow the rules for a goods vehicle?
Does your V5 show an entry for unladen weight? There isn't even a place to put that information on my V5. All I have are entries for revenue weight, max permissible mass and mass in service. None of those are unladen weight.

Edit - also weights for trailer
 

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On the v55/5, the note for box 24 (revenue weight) says

"You do not need to give the weight if the vehicle is a car or a light van, or if it weighs 3500kg or less. If it weighs more than 3500kg please give the weight and attach a weight certificate "


Our van will be less than 3500kg so I'll be leaving this blank as well
 
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On the v55/5, the note for box 24 (revenue weight) says

"You do not need to give the weight if the vehicle is a car or a light van, or if it weighs 3500kg or less. If it weighs more than 3500kg please give the weight and attach a weight certificate "


Our van will be less than 3500kg so I'll be leaving this blank as well
Revenue weight is not the same as unladen weight. Revenue (in the sense of road tax) depends upon maximum permissible weight (or some other such words meaning the same thing); only speed limits rely upon unladen weight. In my V5 the revenue weight is 4500kg, which is the maximum permissible mass and mass in service as well.

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