Speed limit for MOST motorhomes

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  1. Jaws

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    I have just had cause to check on UK speed limits for a job

    Went to the govt web site and was shocked to see the speed limit reduction to 50 for single track, 60 for dual track and 70 for motorways is related not to vehicles over 3.5t but over 3.05t

    Now that means an awful lot of motorhome owners in vans plated at 3.5t have been thinking they are fine at 70 on a dual carriageway when in fact they are limited to 60 mph

    I am sure I am well behind the times and more people know this than less, but thought it worth a heads up
     
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    You got a link Jaws?
     
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    Got it, looks like I've been speeding then. :(
     
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    I have a sneaky suspicion it has been changed and changed quietly !
     
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    Could it be a typo from 3.5 tonnes? 3.05 tonnes seems a bit wrong.
     
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    Don't think it has been changed. Well not recently.
    When changing from caravan to motorhome about 18 months ago it was 3.05t then.
     
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    It's 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight
     
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    Luckily I can't afford to drive mine at 70mph
     
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    thats correct but its 3.05 T unladen weight. been like that for a looooong while...

    how they would know the anladen weight without manufacturers data i have no idea! as it appears nowhere on your C5 ( as far a s i can see )
     
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    It's unladen weight as has already been said and as unladen weight isn't recorded anywhere for motorhomes (it isn't the same thing as MIRO) it's an unenforceable law.
     
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    Well spotted guys.. yep, unlaiden weight ( so pretty meaningless then ! )
     
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    A completely stupid rule as I pointed out to the Dept of Transport a few years ago when they were consulting on new motorway speed limits. They acknowledged the lack of clarity and suggested that they would consider it (don't hold your breath!).
    In my view, speed limits for 'large' vehicles should be related to GVW (or MAM) since that is the plated maximum that the vehicle can weigh and must relate to the maximum safe speed. Then, motorhomes over 3.5 tonnes GVW would be limited to 30/50/60/70 rather than having 'wriggle room' as they do now if they can claim that the ULW is less than 3.05 tonnes. In my case, it is likely that the ULW is below 3.05 but the GVW is 3.8 tonnes. But I have no way of knowing that for certain. Much better to remove the uncertainty and limit according to GVW.
    Even more illogical is the fact that panel vans (Transit/Sprinter/Ducato etc.) plated at just under 3.5 tonnes GVW are limited to 30/50/60/70 and these are the same base vehicles as most motorhomes!
     
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    It also raises the point as to what is load and what is not .

    So my chassis is a Ducato. Unlaiden weight 2.4t ( from memory so proly miles out but... )

    Now then.. The converter ( Autotrail ) then LOADS the chassis up with an after market body and all the crap they put in it.
     
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    It would be a crappy MH if loaded to 3.5t was not 3.05t unladen. Unladen is no fuel and perhaps we could argue removing as much as possible that is not screwed down.
     
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    It is crazy, my Gross is 3850kg, but no where is the unladen weight stated. On the C of C it gives the MIRO which is over the 3050kg for the speed limit, so how do you explain to Mr Plod that figure Sir, includes 75kg for driver 20kg of water, 20 kg of gas & bottle plus 80kg of fuel?
     
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    As pointed out, it is the unladen weight of 3050 kg that counts. We actually had the unladen, ex-factory weight specified in the handbook for our last MH (Chausson), and I used to carry a copy of that with me. Since the onus is on the authorities to prove their case, I guess that would include proving that your unladen weight is over 3050kg. I'm not sure how easy that would be.
     
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    [QUOTE Unladen is no fuel and perhaps we could argue removing as much as possible that is not screwed down.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, exactly. That is what I was told at the VOSA test centre. Remove everything that is not fixed or essential equipment for it to qualify as a motor caravan & that is the unladen weight.
     
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    @lennyhb I have found this in the Hymer Exsis brochure it States:
    All seven floor layouts have an un- laden weight of less than three tons – including the comprehensive standard equipment. From 2,610 kilograms with the Exsis-i 504, the range in road-ready state extends to 2,950 kilograms with the Exsis-i 698. Even when fully laden with passengers (4 people) and with individual additional equipment, there is still ample scope to load up the vehicle and utilise the garage capacity of 250 kilograms without exceeding the 3.5 ton permissible weight. Any weight restrict
    tions in road traffic that apply above this limit are thereby avoided and the vehicle maintains it
     
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