So many big wigs visiting here

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  1. joner8888

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    Outside my office window is Westonzoyland airfield, the closest landing spot to the Somerset levels.

    I have seen Prince Charlie earlier this week, D Cameron today, police helicopters hovering non stop, police vans, black Range Rovers , men in black with bulging pockets :Eek!:, fuel bowsers brought down from (important ) places with Range Rovers, environmental boss visit , more police copters:Eeek:.

    Us local folk have never seen so many important people from the city down these parts.

    With what they have spent on aviation in the last week they could have dredged all the rivers last year.
     
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  2. pappajohn

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    its a bugger innit.....you cant stop the rubberneckers coming any way they can to see the floods. :Laughing:
     
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    They (he) wouldn't have even bothered coming down here if they (he)thought they wouldn't lose votes...... Promises again - no wonder Davy boy never announced his visit - he would have had one hell of a reception for sure if he had done.

    "I'll go to Somerset when the time's right" he said yesterday but who turned up today????????? Not even got the balls to stand in front of the 'real' people - another publicity stunt, £100,000,000 now available.

    Too frigin late posh boy!:Angry: Now f**** off back to London.

    Detract the locals to welcome the EA gaffer and 'sneak in the back door'.

    Trikeman. :Wink:
     
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  4. Johns_Cross_Motorhomes

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    Weston Zoyland brings back memories, I used to land there in a Piper Cherokee many, many years ago when I had a trade counter in Street:Eeek:

    Used to fly down from Elstree in it.

    Peter
     
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  5. zulurita

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    Absolutely bonkers. They should never have stopped dredging.

    This Tory lot will certainly NOT get my vote. They are all right Jack to hell with the rest of us, that seems to be their attitude.
     
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    Just throwing some thoughts into the mix:

    The dredging was stopped in the 1990s. It wasn't restarted by Blair or Brown during the boom years and may not have been considered a priority by Cameron over the last 3 years of austerity.

    Even if dredging had been restarted, would it have prevented the flooding this winter? It may have reduced it a bit but not by much - the water capacity of flood plains is often much greater than river channels and dredging often only increases the river volume by a small amount so even a dredged river could not have coped with the amount of water on the flood plains and the cleared channels it would have just made the water travel faster and cause even more flooding downstream.

    If you are interested in reading more, have a look at this: http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-floods-somerset-levels-david-cameron-farmers
     
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    Weren't you worried about being jumped by an ME 109???..:BigGrin::BigGrin::Wink:
     
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    Nice to see someone with a balanced point of view.
     
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    No way, Lyneham Radar were very good and looked after me:thumb:

    Peter
     
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    What a load off bollocks (in this case) when they built the M5 in the early seventys right through the middle of the Somerset Levels they created a bloody great DAM, the then LOCAL authority kept all the rivers and drainage channels clear by dredgeingl ,the Levels have always been prone to flooding
    but because the drains were kept clear the water was able to drain away.

    Since the completely useless EA took over none of this drainage work has taken place, most of the pumping stations were taken out of service in 1996, this is a man made disaster.
     
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  11. Landy lover

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    Ah undoubtedly a the guardian man has spent a lot of time listening to the people in the EA and not understanding the local problems. I am the first to agree that the dredging of the rivers will not stop the flooding of the Somerset levels. That is a simple fact. I am also the first to agree that the current weather pattern is unprecedented and would create more severe flooding that has happened in living memory. What everyone fails to realise and understand is the levels have been managed for hundreds of years by allowing the levels to flood in certain areas and the rivers and rhynes have been cleared dredged and managed to allow the floods to run away to sea in days rather than months. The bridges and riverbanks have been built and reinforced to cope with this. Its not something that has just been invented, its been going on for years. The problem is the management of the levels has been taken from the local people who understand it and put at national level and is run by people who simply have not a clue - are not prepared to listen and feel it is more important to spend some £34 million on a bird sanctuary at the mouth of the river Parrett than to spend 5million on the dredging. They have been progressively warned over the years that this will be the result - some 14 months ago they said the floods were a 'once in a hundred year' occurrence and should ignored. A few facts which should speak for themselves - over the last 20 years the silt has reduced the effective depth of the river by 12 feet. Because the silt has built up the reed growth at the edges of the rivers has encroached from both sides and reduce the effective width to 40% of its actual width. Farmers used to be in charge of the water levels on their own land by having level boards controlling the levels for their own needs , raising and lowering the level to suit their crops. This was stopped due to the insistence by the RSPB that they dictate the level of the water in their reserve which actually raised the summer time levels of water. This was apparently to attract the 'native' birds.

    Living not too far from the levels and suffering some of the problems of the mismanagement of the rivers we see houses flood that have not flooded in history since the 1300's when they were built and are now uninhabitable roads flooding on a regular basis that never did etc I do have a strong opinion when control is given to some remote power who will not listen to local knowledge , push forward with their own thoughts and needs and virtually wash their hands of it when things go wrong.

    Speak to anyone who has anything to do with the levels and they will tell you that a few days of flooding creates no problems. Once the levels go back down everything returns to normal - even if it flood again a few days later. If the floods last a week or even two in places nature will recover - it will just take shade longer. Anything over 21 days is a total disaster - the soil, the plants, the natural organisms the Mycorrhiza's the bugs and beetles the earthworms all die - the soil is effectively dead. It takes years to recover - for many this is the 3rd time it has happened in 15 months.

    It simply should never have happened. EA were warned . The locals will have to pick up the tab again for others incompetence, arrogance and short-sightedness. I have no doubt that some will be unable to recover and will end up in the hands of the receiver.

    I understand the area now under water is greater than the size of Guernsey and at the last count exceeds 289,000 acres
     
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  12. zulurita

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    A lot to consider there. So clearly much more needs to be done sooner rather than later. Not mull it over for years to come.
     
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    AWE come on fellas! we all know the Townies know best, and the tree huggers, and the trendy lefty armchair greenies all have OUR best interests at heart,
    Come on fellas! roll over and let them tickle your tummy, while they explain that the Badgers are your friends, and that a 3 metre band around you paddocks, uncultivated , is good for the Wildlife.:Rofl1:
    And that not dredging Falmouth Harbour is good for the "Trembling Weed" and that if the big ships that the harbour relies on to stay economic can't get in:Doh: WELL! :Doh:we can turn the Worlds 3rd best natural harbour into a Marina and the Docks into High rise Apartments for the Incomers.

    The Townies always know what's best for the Yokels, don' um?:thumb:
     
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  14. Landy lover

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    Just to put a lighter note on this

    Just to put a lighter note on this

    Saw this posted on facebook this morning
     

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    Amazing how the demonised 4x4 comes in handy when those in power want to project power & importance & get to muddy places....
     
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  17. Landy lover

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    A well written factual article. Highlighting the major points of the failure when birds became more important than humans. While I am all in favour of preserving wild life we need to appreciate that birds will fly to any area that suits their lifestyle. When man artificially controls an area and maintains a suitable habitat and calls it a Sanctuary / reserve or whatever yes the birds will continue to come - take it away they are not going to starve - they move to another suitable location.

    In the article it mentions Charles 1st so for those that don't do history 1625 – 1649 that's 389 years - that is wrong because some of the old houses date before that and anyone that knows history will remember the old fable of King Alfred and his burnt cakes which actually happened on the levels. Also if you read parts of the bible there is reference to the Somerset levels when Joseph of Arimathea which dates back to 100BC - so its fair to say the levels have been inhabited and managed successfully for long long time. Until the EA got involved :Eeek:

    Now their policy failures are showing up in other areas where dredging and management should have taken place
     
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  18. Landy lover

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    for some reason post duplicated its self
     
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    floods in the west country

    This just about sums it up
     

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    Balanced, from a Guardian article? :Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:

    Plant more trees in the water catchment areas and he uplands to slow down the flow to lower levels. :thumb:
     
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