Singer sewing machine experts

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  1. Nirvanauk

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    I know that you are out there. Have just dug the mother in laws old singer out of the barn as my wife now seems to be into sewing. It is an old hand operated model but it has an electric light fastened to it.
    It has the model or serial number ED791595 stamped on the side. Does this mean anything?
    Does anyone know if I can get this serviced?
    Thanks.
    Paul
     
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    Scotjimland is the worlds greatest authority on Singer sewing machines so just hold on for him.
     
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    The serial number will give you it's year of manufacture and yes you should be able to get it serviced - I used to do them many many years ago when I worked for Singer.

    Scotjimland is defo the guy to ask!!:Smile:
     
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  4. scotjimland

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    Hi Paul

    that is the serial .. and it dates it to 1946 and is a model 99K , made in Scotland at the Kilbowie plant in Clydebank

    they made 10,000 of that model in that year

    Servicing:

    there are shops who do it but they are really easy to work on and seldom need more than a good clean .. and oiling.

    If badly gummed up with old oil you can clean them with any degreaser.. paraffin works well.. then a re-lub using proper sewing machine oil.. get this on line or from any sewing machine shop ,. don't use car engine oil or 3 in 1 oil .. they dry out and gum up ..

    This is a good site to start research .. http://www.ismacs.net/home.html

    This site has downloadable easy to follow PDF overhauling manuals
    http://www.tfsr.org/publications/technical_information/sewing_machine_manual/
     
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    Jim,
    Thanks for that. I'll try and send a pic although every time I've tried it in the past it tells me that the file size is too big. Can I email it to you from my iPhone?
    Cheers.
     
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    yes please... scotjimland(at)gmail.com
     
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  7. Nirvanauk

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    Jim,
    I've sent over 4 separate photos, just ignor the dog eating my shoe!
    Thanks.
    Paul
     
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    Just looking at them..

    It's defo a 99K .. an early model.. fitted with the 'Singer Light' .. it was marketed as a portable .. a 3/4 size machine but still heavy.

    Looks like it's been neglected .. but will clean up fine..

    if you need any help getting it sewing just email me .. or call, I'll email my phone numbers
     
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    Help

    Hey Jim,

    I wondered if you would be able to help me and I'd be very grateful if you are able to.

    I just bought a second hand Singer 467 - from 1961 I believe. Was sold in good working order but I've no idea when it was last used. Looks to be in good nick, but when I plug it in, the Motor runs but no movement with the needle. If I loosen the fly wheel for the bobbin, the flywheel and bobbin wonder turn, tighten it back up again and nothing!

    I've taken off the top plate and face plate and nothing is moving inside even though the motor is running. There isn't any dust but it doesn't seem to be very lubricated. But I'm not sure I should be taking bits apart without a bit of direction.

    Any ideas??

    Thanks in advance

    heather
     
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    Hi Heather

    it was made between 1968 - 1969 .. and I'm afraid not one I have much knowledge of, it's a bit modern for me.. :Laughing:

    If it's the model I'm thinking of, does it have an enclosed motor .. (no external belt) ? If so it has an internal drive belt , this may be broken.. but without actually looking at it... . sorry, I can't help much more ..

    There is a Yahoo Singer sewing machine group who have a good forum that may be worth posting on..

    good luck
     
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    Hi i have an Singer sewing machine model 12, by the serial it is from 1875 germany, serial no: . I have a few question about. Should i restore her proffesional? Or should i do nothing? here are some pictures. She is working, all original, belt missing. What is the value yet , and restored you think ? ScotJimland DSCF4694.JPG DSCF4704.JPG DSCF4706.JPG DSCF4696.JPG DSCF4699.JPG DSCF4705.JPG
     
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    serial no: 2349348
     
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    we have a hand one we use it regular I used wd40 to clean it up the gave it a good blow of with air from the composure it work a treat it was only gumed up with old oil and dust.
    bill
     
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    Has anyone seen them at oradour sur glan, one in nearly every house
     
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    Hi Stipe .. I have replied to your email ..

    pasted here for interested Fun members :



    Nice old machine, but in poor condition .. thanks for showing me the pictures.. serial number dates it to around 1875- 6

    a badly restored machine will reduce it's value.. a machine that has been sympathetically restored to what a 'used machine' looks like is worth while..

    ie.. do not paint or re chrome any parts

    if you want to do yourself there is a lot of helpful tips and advice on ISMACS

    it really is a labour of love.. I do it as a hobby, not to make money ... having it done professionally would cost more than it is worth.

    Sorry, I don't do valuations as there as so many factors to consider.. but old machines of this era in good working order will fetch good money.. maybe over £100 .. poor machines such as what you have at present considerably less .. I've seen them go at auction for £25

    ebay is a good place to do valuation research.. look at completed sales ..

    Bottom line, if you want a hobby, spend time stripping it down and cleaning every part, . follow ISMACS advice.. after you do that you will want to keep her... good luck and let me know what you decide.


    EDIT

    I should have said that age isn't a guide to value.. generally speaking, an old machine that was made by the million has little value ..

    for example.. a 1950s 222k model will fetch in excess of £200.. one in excellent condition maybe closer to £300 .. simply because they were a lot fewer made and are highly desirable..

    keep an eye open for it at boot sales.. and snap the hand off the seller..it's a 1/2 size portable.. made with cast aluminum .. a first for Singer

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    Bottom line

    Regarding machine value:
    1) The super rare will always appreciate whatever the condition.
    2) The super common will appreciate provided the condition is good.
    3) The super common in poor condition will never appreciate.
    4) Poor restoration markedly reduces the value of any item
     
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    My wife has the machine above rescued form a friends loft she uses it a lot quilting prefers it to her modern machine. She asked other day is she can take it with us in van lol
     
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    And why not.. take up little room and not very heavy .. and it can come in useful for all sorts of jobs when away in the van..
    The 222k and it's sister, the 221k are fantastic little machines.. both my wife and daughter use them for quilting and other projects.. this is Charlottte learning to sew quilting triangles together on it about 2 years ago ..
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    I use a 201k Mk 1 for everyday work.. it is probably the best machine Singer ever made.. It is a heavy beast.. weights in at around 25lbs .. could hardly be described as portable..

    It can sew just about anything you chuck at it.. heavy leather, many layers of canvas and denim etc.. extremely useful bit of kit.. I've made all sorts with it, from canvas bags to window awnings.. upholstery for vans etc

    It has 'drop feed-dogs' for freehand embroidery and a reverse lever.. which can be seen on the right of the head.

    inside the head it uses helical gears and shafts to transfer the power .. this makes it very quiet, and smooth.. the stitching looks like rows of rice laid end to end.. straight and regular.. still used as a benchmark by modern machines ..... another Singer first..

    It had hardly been used and still had the grease poof wrapping paper on some of the accessories, the original Singer receipt and warranty .. all complete .. Purchased in 1952 and given as a wedding present to the couple I bought it from..



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    The Singer baby Model 20 .. not really a toy, was sold to encourage children to take up sewing.. now highly collectable.. and yes, it sews well, and could be used for small repairs... and worth around £150.. with original box in good condition.. double that figure.
    Unsure of age as they were not given serial numbers, manufactured from the 1920s until around 1950

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    This forum is just brilliant really interesting post (think a lot of us) have one tucked away somewhere, but what made me smile 2 first time posters on motorhome forum posting on sewing machines :BigGrin: ... :welc:S
    Now off to dig my mums old singer out of the attic.
     
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