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  1. airwave

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    Hi guy's , i'm just a little confused , so i'm hoping , maybe some one can put me right here . Looking at different motorhomes advert's , i'm coming across term's like A class and B class . Some ppl describe their mh as a class A while other's call the same vehicle a B .
    I've looked it up on google and it turn's out that there a C class too . They define it that , an A class is a full coach built , B class is a converted van , and a C class is a hybrid of the two , half coach built , with a van cab , usually having a bed over . Now chassis type's and bathroom's are also involved , ive just simplified it slightly , however this is an american definition .
    Is this a standard definition , or is it different over here in europe , if so , in what way .
    The mh that is beginning to shine through is a full coach built with a pull down bed over the cab , often described as an A class , but sometimes referred to as a B , which reading the above , it clearly is not . I can see the confusion , but it's upsetting my search results . Sort me out guy's ..
     
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    For some reason Hymer refer to their A class vans as B class or E class or S class.
    A C class is a coachbuilt body with a van cab, sometimes with an overcab bed, without the overcab it may be called a Low Profile.
    A van conversion is a PVC.
     
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    An A class is as you say fully coach built in that it does not use any of the original vehicle cab other than the dashboard.

    Hymer just like to try to confuse us by calling them B or S class, where this actually just refers to the model like Fiesta or Escort.

    I am of the opinion that A class does not date a van the same as being Coacbuilt does, just my opinion though.

    Martin
     
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    an "A" class does not have any of the original base vehicle bodywork or doors a "B" class does retain the original cab even if only the front.
     
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    yes indeed.. a van conversion.. what we call a PVC ..

    Hymer model numbers are very confusing.. there is no rhyme nor reason for the numbering.. . at least none that I can figure out..
     
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    A Class..
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    C Class/ coachbuilt ..
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    I like older vans :)
     
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    My 1987 Hymer 660S.

    6 metres 60 centimetres long.

    S = POSH.

    Hymer 550... 5 metres 50 centimetres long.

    Hymer 700... you work it out!

    With the plastic Hymers of today, the numbers might not work the same way.


    JJ :cool:
     
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    Mine is a i-678, i= integrated (A Class) as for 678 anyone's guess, it's 7.2 m long.
     
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    Re: the other part of your question.
    In Germany, A Class is known as Integrated
    C Class is known as Semi Integrated .
    NB I'm assuming the Germans have their own words for these two. I've copied the words from www.mobile.de
    I believe the french call a C Class with an overcab bed, a 'Capucine' (but I may be wrong on that)
     
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    & here A = Integral & C = Cappuchino. :)
     
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    indeed they don't..
    as you rightly say, .Classic Hymers of yesteryear, S suffix ( S is for Shed ) are quite easy to figure out .. ie 700S = a 7mt Shed

    how often do you have to treat for dry rot and woodworm ? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    Ours is an 'A' class Hymer but it's model No. is B584 which appears to bear no relation to length/berth/seating!
    It's a 6 mtr left hand drive, 3 berth, with 3 'Captain' belted seats.
    Oh yes, and looks like a brick!
     
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  15. airwave

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    Ahhhh , right , i'm so glad , i got that's sorted , lol .

    But seriously , it's good to see , i'm not the only one struggling with this issue . Thank you everyone who had an input . It appear's i've got the A and C classes spot on , but the B class is were the water's get muddied . A link sent by Jim to Wikipedia , further confuses the issue by stating a B as a low profile A class . Personally i can't see the difference , as over cab area's are not involved , interestingly they also call them a semi integrated , with the C , as an alcove . But in general , all you guy's are saying the same thing , Hymer are the exception to the rule .
    Just so happen's , this is the make that is beginning to shine . I'm not looking for a large vehicle , as in my sailing day's , the larger yachts rarely got used , compared to the smaller boat's . I do like the idea of a bed , made up and ready to use , but feel a fixed bed to be wasted space , despite the storage under . A pull down bed is i believe , a happy compromise .
    Martin , i'm also of the same , in that an A class won't date , either . I'm a fan of the older vehicle . Diesel's are dirty engine's , but keep it maintained , supply it with clean air and clean fuel and it will run forever . They don't need fancy electronic's to to make them run and beside's , 85% of engine break down's are due to electric's . However , the area were older vehicle's do fall down , is on part's availability , trim , body work , and the like . Engine part's are normally okay . An A class overcome's that problem .
    My other vehicle is a 21yo Citroen with a one and a half litre diesel , it's serviced every 3 month's , has lower emission's than my 05 suzuki , and still return's 72 mpg .
    Just as a matter of interest , what does Pcv stand for guy's .
     
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    Panel Van Conversion
     
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    The best type. Easier to drive, park, service and repair as well as warm and cosy.
     
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    they have benefits.. like ease of parking.. but no good for swinging a cat in.. been there.. prefer a little space , all is compromise.
     
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    I gave up swinging cats after that woman got prosecuted for putting one in a bin..

    It is all about choice and compromise.. We had a coach built and at some point in the future when we start on longer tours will no doubt get another but for us now a PCV means all year comfort anywhere we wanna go.
     
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  20. airwave

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    Thank's Jim , i figured it would be something like that , just couldn't find the right word's to fit .

    mj , there nowt wrong with pvc 's mate , my first van was one i converted , a little rascal , probably fit in the back of your motor , i used it every day for work , and come the friday night , load the gliders on the roof and away . Used to leave everything else in the van , even food . Often arrived at the field early morning , like's of 2am , just close the curtain's , cup of tea , and bed . My present van isn't converted . I miss the flexibility of being able to move that quick , and the price i pay , i just don't get away that much .
    But now , like Jim says , i'd like a little more space , (not to mention having hot water on tap) so i've decided to go for a coach built . Hopefully this will enable me to regain that flexibility . There are a couple of issue's , i need to address , biggest one is where the glider's will live , i don't think the roof is an option , as loading , even a low profile , singlehanded will a problem . But i do have an alternative which will mean even the glider's can be permanently loaded .
    What would i need a house for ..
     
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