shock horror,man fined for breaking the law

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  1. CHRI$

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  2. Boringfrog

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    Failed to declare SORN, say no more.
     
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    Sick of the excuse its against my human rights he forgot to sorn it and he got caught
     
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    Does he not consider what happens if it gets stolen!
     
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    No sympathy for him he should have known better and as someone else said if stolen he would be up the creek without a paddle
     
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    No Sympathy. He didn't obey the law, and then ignored the first warning. Self inflicted.
     
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  7. GeriatricWanderer

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    He should also be heavily fined for keeping a motorhome wth "no intention to drive it for six months"
    Disgraceful behaviour.
     
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    It's just a standard SORN fine don't know why it made the papers really, but I'm Mortal so wont condemn him because I forget shit like most do, as for if it was stolen that's his loss don't effect me, I could never get my sidecar insured (worth more than MH & trailer put together!) but I took that risk, so if it got nicked I'd have had to start from the bottom again, that's were I started at first.:)
     
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    OK, the law is the law...........However, insurance required when there is no intention to drive, it's parked on your own property, and you own it? It's just another money making scam.
    Lets say he did intend to drive it, he would have been caught in no time. Trouble is, SORN was brought out before all the instant computer recognition stuff, but instead of scrapping SORN, they kept it going in order to make more money, nothing less. :(
     
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    he does not have to insure the vehicle if he does not intend to take it on the road, merely SORN it and that process is free. Although I don't totally agree with the SORN process it cannot be regarded as a way of making money iof it is free to do. If people choose not to comply with the law they risk being fined - their choice!
     
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    I have to disagree with you on this one. There were too many people who weren't insured. The insurance database is helping to counter this growing problem. Having a database is no good if there is no way of enforcing it.

    The simple fact is we can't afford 10'000 police officers roaming the roads looking for uninsured vehicles. So the best way to do this is to say ALL vehicles must be insured end of. The only exemption is for vehicles that are SORNED. I think it is a simple solution that saves a lot of time and effort and will ensure more vehicles are insured.

    If you make a SORN declaration and are then caught driving the vehicle there is a fine of up to £5,000...

    So automatic fine for no insurance, except if SORNED. Driving while SORNED upto £5,000. Seems like a pretty good system to me.
     
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    I got fined a £100 for a bike that was SORN'd, but it was a box of bits being rebuilt in the future sometime. I thought (then not now) that if it was sorned then it was, OK, but it ran out and needed doing again, the tax for the bike was only £17 They have changed it now and it remains sorn'd until retaxed again.
     
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    What we nead to do is bring back the death penalty especially for this kind of crime
    Hang them hight I say
    Bit of over reaction from sums of the poster me thinks
    Bill
     
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    Of coarse its a way of making money!! :(
    Situation with SORN: Fred Notax is the registered owner ABC 123. They know it's not taxed, because he hasn't coughed up the money. So they check the SORN records, and lo, Fred hasn't declared. Now he becomes a cashcow. Oh look, Fred has his motorhome parked on his property. Fined £80 for not declaring...........(and they employ people to do this).

    Situation without SORN. Fred still hasn't taxed his vehicle. No one knows if he still has it or not. It could be on a tour of Outer Mongolia. It dosent matter if it's sat on his garden, it's off the road, therefore no road tax, no income for 11 Downing Street.
    And so, every transgressor of SORN makes money to the tune of at least 80 quid, maybe more if they can prove hes been on the road with it, and that's a plus to the no insurance fine.

    Your missing the point. The majority of uninsured vehicles roaming around are intentional. The young kid who hasn't got 2k to spare, but he drives anyway. The car with false plates. The guy who buys a car and gives the wrong details to the ex owner. The stolen car where the thief dosent give a monkeys anyway. All hard to catch, all hard to stop.
    And so, they pick on the easy target. Some guy forgot because he was away when the letter to renew came, or no letter came at all, who lives at the address where his vehicle is registered, and more to the point, has the cash to pay.
    The only time you will EVER see 10,000 police officers roaming the streets would be during a strike of The National Union of Chinese Take Away's, when they were at a loss of what to eat. (y)
     
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    There's a common misconception that you insure vehicles. You don't, you insure drivers to enable them to use vehicles on the public highway.

    The police exercise dubious authority when they confiscate vehicles that don't show up on the 'insurance database'. I was stopped once for driving my wife's (second) car as it showed as uninsured. I was driving on my third party entitlement from my own insurance.

    Some insurers will allow only allow you to drive your on your third party entitlement if the vehicle you're driving is already insured to be driven by someone else. However there are insurers that do not have this stipulation.

    The requirement for a car to be insured by someone else before you can legitimately drive it is not a legal requirement but may be a condition of your own insurance policy.

    Ian

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    If I'd read the article before posting, I might have gleaned that things may have changed in 2011! It was pre 2011 that I was stopped and when I last explored the issue!
     
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    The mistake he made was saying he forgot to declare :rolleyes:

    The delivery of post isn't what it used to be if you know what I mean :)
     
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    & as @Tootles said + the Itinerants clone them, or run with no plates on either towed or towing. Wait till you get the "automatic renewal" added to the "continuous insurance" :LOL:Which is what we have here & you used to have to notify 2 months in advance of renewal to cancel it. Just been changed last year to 1 month.
     
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    You are mostly correct. However the kid who can't afford the insurance will now be fined automatically. Fred will be fined if he doesn't have the car anymore because he hasn't notified DVLA who he has sold it to. If he still owns it and it is in Outer Mongolia he still either needs to, register it in Mongolia and get it marked as an export. Have valid insurance bought in this country that will cover him for Mongolia or SORN it.

    The vast majority of uninsured drivers do not go around with false plates, they simply rely on the fact that the police are unlikely to catch them. This is now no longer possible. They own the vehicle and have to have insurance. If the vehicle isn't registered to them and on false plates they will get hammered if caught.

    You have two choices, tax and insure your vehicle as per the law or SORN it. Sorn your vehicle and you don't have ot pay for either so no cash to the Gov. Break the law and you get fined. I don't see this as a cashcow.
     
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    No he wont. He dosent 'own' the car.........
    The telling word there Grom is 'IF'
    There are around 37,000 uninsured drivers on the road, with about 1.2 million cars with no known 'owners'.
    All fines are 'cashcow' They are just a way of making money. Otherwise, why fine someone? As a deterrent? Hardly.
    Cars that are confiscated are supposed to be 'crushed' In actual fact, the majority are sold at auction, the money being, supposedly, invested in 'police resources'. o_O
    Around £38 BILLION is made from vehicle excise duty every year.......
    Roughly £700 million is collected from parking fines.
    Back in 2007, £ 114 million a year was raised in speeding fines.
    The DVLA have refused to say how much cash they make each year from SORN.
    The police made £1.6 million pounds in the sale of confiscated cars this year so far.
    And you dont see that as a cashcow?? :Eeek:
     
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