Serious full timing question

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  1. knokinonabit

    knokinonabit Funster

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    This may have been asked before, but I'll ask anyway.

    I know that if we full time we still have to have a "base" address for insurance, licence etc.
    So how do travellers get away with being full timers, assuming they hold the relevant legal documents, and why can't we register as travellers and have the same rights ?
    Basically, travellers are full timers, so what is the difference ?
     
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  2. Mousy

    Mousy Funster Life Member

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    They don't pay taxes?opp5
     
  3. knokinonabit

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    No, but they still should hold a valid driving licence and insurance, MOT and road tax.
     
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    "Should"


    They must have a registered address somewhere, I suppose
     
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    But they supposedly claim not to, otherwise they wouldn't be classed as travellers.
     
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    So how do fairground travelers do it when they dont have full time winter quarters?
     
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    I know some fairground people and they invariably have a base, where they can service the rides, store ones they are not using etc. and these are often permanent sites where they can also live in their trailers, caravans and 5th wheelers. They have an address at these places and that is their base address. They also don't call themselves travellers, they are Showmen, which is a different thing altogether.
    Some of them own homes because they only travel to shows in the show season.
     
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    You will find gypsy travellers have one address that several of them will use
    This big brother country is so hard to live as one might want too
    I have fulltimed for three years. Luck I have family who let me use there address
    But it's not easy

    Power to the little man. !!!! :Rofl1:
     
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    Are you sure of that ????
    Some do its not nice to label all with one sentence

    Naught naughty for doing that !
     
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    I understand what you mean.
    A friend of mine who is a driving instructor has been used a lot by one particular family and he said that all of their driving licences give the same address, which is the name of the matriarch of the family, and is a one bedroom bungalow. According to their driving licences there are about 12 of them living there that he knows of. :Eeek:
     
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    Obviously you havn't met the travellers I know, all running legitimate businesses although most are now settled. As for the original question I've never really got around to asking but wouldn't mind knowing, I know some use the address of the traveller sites which is ok if they are registered there I suppose, no doubt others will use some one on a site or a house dweller as an address much as other fulltimers do. but for those who genuinely are travellers on the move I have no idea how they get around the problem.
     
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    Most have storage yards where they can overwinter so they can use those as an address, there are at least 2 yards around Norwich that I know of
     
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    a reply to a freedom of information request in Northern Ireland.......would expect it tobe the same here
    ern Ireland

    22 September 2008

    Our ref DV08C40

    19 September 2008

    Dear Mr Jackson

    Freedom of Information Act 2000

    I am writing to confirm that the Agency has now completed its search for
    the information about policies and procedures for members of the
    travelling community and other drivers in terms of driving licences or
    vehicle registration who do not have a fixed address, which you requested
    on 3 September 2008.

    Driving Licences

    DVA does not have a policy relating specifically to the handling of
    applications for driver licences made by members of the Travelling
    Community or other persons without a permanent fixed address.

    It is a requirement of the Road Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1981 (the
    1981 Order) that applicants for Northern Ireland driving licences meet the
    relevant residency requirement. In the majority of cases, the applicant
    must reside in Northern Ireland. In practical terms, the residency
    requirement is met by the provision of a postal address within Northern
    Ireland to which the driving licence will be issued. Where doubts arise
    as to whether the applicant lives at the address supplied, he may be asked
    to provide additional information. Each case will be dealt with on an
    individual basis.

    A valid address is a recognised postal address (excluding business
    premises) in Northern Ireland at which the applicant for a driving licence
    lives at the time of the application. It is a further requirement of the
    1981 Order that the holder of a licence must inform the Department if the
    details relating to the holder's address cease to be correct.

    Vehicle Registration

    Each member state issues Registration Certificates in accordance with
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    must contain the name or business name of the keeper and his/her address
    in the Member State of registration on the date of issue of the document.

    DVA is charged with maintaining and improving the integrity and accuracy
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    I've just had my bottom lightly spanked and I've stood on the naughty step:cry:
     
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    So basically, according to the information supplied by Pappajohn, there is no such thing as a traveller as everyone is required to have a permanent address to be able to hold a licence and register a vehicle.

    OR

    All of the people who call themselves travellers and live full time "on the road" are breaking the law by definition, because they have not informed the DVLA that the details on their licences have changed because they no longer live at the address stated, so they may possibly be un-insured as well, and their vehicles not licenced.
     
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    My wife and I fulltimed for a while and had no problem at all with DVLA, bank etc.

    We used our son's address for our driving licence, I didn't have to pretend to live there, I told the chap at the DVLA that we were living full time in our van for a while and had no fixed address. He got our new licences organised in about 5 minutes over the phone. Same thing with the van logbook, just sent it in with son's address.

    Same with the bank, just phoned them and told them the same thing. They just want an address to put on your account details where they can write to you if they have to.

    Only potential minefield is insurance for the van. Comfort are the only brokers who offer proper full time insurance and its expensive - ours was £850 for the year. If you don't tell them that you don't have a fixed address you can potentially come unstuck if they ask for utility bills, check voters register etc which they warn you they might do.

    Paul
     
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    So, as Easyliving says, it's just a matter of providing an address that you don't have to live at really. Mmmmmmm, let me read Pappajohns info again.
     
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    this part jumps off the page though....

    A valid address is a recognised postal address (excluding business
    premises) in Northern Ireland at which the applicant for a driving licence
    lives at the time of the application. It is a further requirement of the
    1981 Order that the holder of a licence must inform the Department if the
    details relating to the holder's address cease to be correct.
     
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    Driving Licences

    DVA does not have a policy relating specifically to the handling of
    applications for driver licences made by members of the Travelling
    Community or other persons without a permanent fixed address.

    It is a requirement of the Road Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1981 (the
    1981 Order) that applicants for Northern Ireland driving licences meet the
    relevant residency requirement. In the majority of cases, the applicant
    must reside in Northern Ireland. In practical terms, the residency
    requirement is met by the provision of a postal address within Northern
    Ireland to which the driving licence will be issued. Where doubts arise
    as to whether the applicant lives at the address supplied, he may be asked
    to provide additional information. Each case will be dealt with on an
    individual basis.

    A valid address is a recognised postal address (excluding business
    premises) in Northern Ireland at which the applicant for a driving licence
    lives at the time of the application. It is a further requirement of the
    1981 Order that the holder of a licence must inform the Department if the
    details relating to the holder's address cease to be correct.


    This bit seems to imply that you must live there, and if you don't you must inform the DVLA, who will presumably want a new address.

    Pappajohn beat me to it.
     
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    This bit stands out as well.
     
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