Self build -to sell -too pricey ?

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  1. Terry

    Terry Funster

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    Hi all I have been offered a 2011 Renault master-LWB -HI ROOF for a very good price :thumb:-- I estimate total build costs inc van to come in around 15/16k :Smile:add in 5/6 k for doing it total around 20/22k --It will be made to a very good standard (that goes without saying)probably a lot more solid than a lot of converters offerings :thumb:
    BIG QUESTION is
    OPTION 1(your thoughts) should I go for it or do you think a asking price of 22k is too much for a self built van ?
    OPTION 2 IS SHOULD I go for a 2006/7 asking around 15k that more people would be able to afford/pay for ?
    OPTION 3 is sell ALICE my own van and keep option 1 for myself ?
    as you can gather option 1 is my favored choice but still at this stage open for suggestions/other options -assuming I can sell them
    terry
     
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    Before he died David did a self build on a 2007 xlwb Fiat Ducato....total cost was around £16500 we used it for a year and then sold it for £15500 which at the time was probably a lot for a self build .
    However it was a good self build with quality fittings which I'm sure yours will be Terry looking at the pictures of your own van.
     
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  3. Snowbird

    Snowbird Funster Life Member

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    The way I see it Terry is that many can lay there hands on 15K with a little effort. Once you get upwards of that people prefer to deal with a dealer and finance becomes involved. I never had a problem selling privately at sub 15K. Once it goes over that people want guarantees and finance. Just my thoughts from experiance.
     
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  4. aba

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    looking at the quality of yours from the pictures a comparable van from a proper converter would be £10000 to £15000 more for a mass produced unit.

    the mileage of the donor vehicle needs to be low enough to release the value though.

    if you do a blog updating the progress as you go there may be a funster out there will buy it off you.
     
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    There is a much cheaper option and it’s all explained in this book: -
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Your-...id=1391943114&sr=1-1&keywords=campervan+£1000

    You can build your own campervan for less than £1000 - that s including the cost of the van! The authors cannibalised an old caravan and then kitted out an X-reg LDV van which they bought for £400.

    We bought a copy of the book to help better understand the workings of a motorhome. It was a fascinating read and the campervan looked to be really good quality. It would certainly be an inexpensive experiment and then, if successful, you could sell it on and move on to a later model van.
     
  6. Terry

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    NOT looking for the cheapest van around or using second hand parts - (Indeed if I wanted I can get a scabby van for a grand and fit a 500 quid second hand caravan interior )

    Thought's are as in OP ing -Need thoughts of others like SBs on pricing etc --done some HW on 2011 PVCs and none are coming near to 22k ish all I have found so far are nearer 30k plus -Again mine may not come in at that price simply because I may end up adding extras- but at the moment thoughts are to fit everything new so they should all come with a manufactures warranty on Heater/fridge/cooker/boiler etc etc, I can GTEE my own work etc so all in it should be a good buy :thumb: Also not looking for a buyer on here but will be posting pics etc as we go along and if someone advises/shows me how to do a blog then so be it
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    The biggest problem in selling a nearly new van for £22k is that most (well a lot anyway) will prefer to buy a 'Brand'.

    The 'Brand' will always be easier to sell on - and folks look at that even when they are buying..............Terrivans ?
    :thumb:

    Maybe not - too much like terror vans
    :Doh:

    Sometimes the best product does not get the best price
     
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  8. Terry

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    Like it :thumb: but already got the name HB Autocampers :BigGrin: made up from our surname initials by mate who stuck the graphics on for me-left van and went to a cafe came back and HB Autocampers was stuck on the sides and back :BigGrin:
    Again not looking to start a business but not ruling it out :Wink: more something for me to do with my spare time and if I make a small profit it will help with the bills rather than me having to start working again - more a paying hobby :Wink::Smile:If the powers that be start hassling me then it may well become a business venture :Smile: as things stand it's just something to occupy my time rather than fester on the computer :BigGrin:
    edit may well look into what's involved in becoming a small manufacturer who knows maybe some small grants etc about

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  9. Terry

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    Sorry to hear of your loss (DAVID) Just noticed you made a loss of £1000 :Eeek:although you used it for a year :thumb: I don't intend to loose on it :Wink::thumb: Option 3 would come into play if that looked likely
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    Its a win win either way, if you cant sell it, you keep it.

    It keeps you out of mischief and one never knows where it might lead, from little acorns, mighty oaks grow:thumb:

    Peter
     
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    If you are looking for something to occupy yourself with, have you ever thought of renovating quality older vans. There is definitely a market out there for them as I have found out. You know the models am talking about and if you ever consider taking on a partner let me know :Wink:.
    I have little interest in making vast amounts of money, but like yourself I enjoy having a project on the go, as long as it does not lose money and pays wages for doing something you enjoy.
     
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    Terry the fact that you have done at least one self build to a good standard, you know what the cost and time involved takes.

    If you go for a newer van as a base you could struggle getting £22,000, however if you keep it then you have the best of both worlds, and can sell your current one if you dont sell if for the £22,000 mark.

    Going for a 2007 model yes you could sell the end project for less, so yes more options in selling, however youre still putting in the same amount of work, so I would go for the 2011, as if you keep it you have many years of a usable van for longer (so to speak).

    What ever you decide we wish you well on the project.

    Pat
     
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  13. Terry

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    Hi Pat done 4 so far and another 3 rip outs and start from scratch type thing :Smile:
    Dave to do older vans is nice and easy but I always think of selling on which is the hard bit :Smile: I would be doing them with my mate Paul who does all things leccy wise that I have no interest in doing --no doubt if I put my mind to it I could eventually do it :thumb: but while I was asking on here what to do he would have it done :BigGrin:Indeed on my van now he disconnected everything(about 3 hrsLike a rat up a drainpipe )while I pulled out the wires he told me to pull --only wire I thought was under the drivers seat -he said all wires where out but told me to look for thick ones :Smile:told him about under the seat he said none there or if there was it must be dead so cut it and pull it out :thumb:this I did promptly followed by a hiss of air as I have cut the air suspension pipe and wiring :BigGrin: TOOK HIM A COUPLE OF HOURS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WHERE WIRING WISE ABOUT 3 WEEKS LATER :BigGrin:Wiring goes through 3 relays,switch to handbrake and switch on dash to lower suspension all way past my capabilities leccy wise
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    Thats my problem too. Once I have finished getting them to the standard I am satisfied with, I never want to part with them. I had 3 on the road at one time as couldn't bear to part with any of them :Doh:. I have stopped buying projects now for that reason.
     
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    Could you build or modify to order? A place near us does that - PVCs. They have a good reputation but aren't cheap of course. They make their own brand and also build on customers' base vehicles. We may use them if we need modifications when we buy our MH.

    I'm thinking that members of the sports communities like surfers, kayakers, wind yachters and maybe even ski and snowboard enthusiasts who normally need make modifications to their vehicles to make them "perfect" would be a nice niche market.

    Finance may be an issue for your buyer but if you know a financial advisor they may be willing to take referrals from you and arrange loans for your customers. This should not involve you in any extra work or risk as if a customer doesn't have finance in place you don't start their job.

    For myself a low mileage vehicle 4 or 5 years old that is immaculate inside and around £30,000 (with room to negotiate) would not be out of the question if it was the spec that I required. Actually just seen one that could fit the bill but am in no hurry to commit.
     
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    He daren't offer it too cheap in case you thought it was a scam Terry!!:BigGrin:

    Only joking mate! I bet you've saved some folks over the years!:thumb:
     
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    That too could be on the cards/worth considering, I know someone who would arrange loans etc and I would get a kickback on it -but at the moment or for the next couple of weeks at least it's a sounding board -hence your thought's - I know I can build them/it well it's the 22k plus for what I consider a self build--I can branch out into a BESPOKE market if I decide to chance my toe in the water on a more professional basis and not just as a hobby/something to do :thumb:
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    :BigGrin::BigGrin::BigGrin: difference is there would be a van to sell :thumb: but if you fancy sending me a bank transfer for 10k I am sure I could get some pics to send you :BigGrin:
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    Good luck!
     
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    Terry do not take this the wrong way I have seen pictures of your work and know it is top class, as good as any converter, but at 22k I think you would have trouble selling a self build unless you had a customer that knew your work and you built it for them to their spec.
    Most people would buy a "spit" Swift at 22k but not your van as they think they have a better van from a dealer and warranty/finance.
    I would consider what Snowbird said as a van like his would sell at the right price all day long in fact I believe you would have a waiting list before long .Just my opinion after looking at how little RMB are in Germany and how modern they still are today.
    If I had the room at home I would seriously be considering deprecation free motorhoming in one.
     
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