Seatbelts, kids, law, and common sense ?

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  1. Andrew G M

    Andrew G M Read Only Funster

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    Called into Autosleeper dealership on Friday, and was shown a very nice Burford with a fixed bed at the rear, and two facing bench seats in the lounge, which converts into a second double bed.

    When I explained to the ever so nice sales lady that we have two teenage children that would require belted seats, she replied there was no need, and it was perfectly legal for them to travel unrestrained.

    Two questions.

    Firstly, is she legally correct with a brand new mh, and secondly, is she morally correct ?
     
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    Firstly, yes,, forward facing seats require seat belts, sideways ones don't

    Secondly, dunno.. I honestly could not reply to that as everyones moral compass points in a slightly difference direction :Smile:
     
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    But are people legally allowed to travel in the rear of a new mh unrestrained ?
     
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    Legaly they may be treated the same as an insecure load and you could be prosecuted. More importantly your insurance would only cover you (normaly) for passengers in belted 'travelling' seats.
     
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    Legaly yes and no :BigGrin:They never got around to changing the laws so you can still carry pasengers in side facing seats :Smile: In october 2007 they passed a law stating that travel seats should all have belts which maufactuers had to comply with.:BigGrin: morally ? I carry my grandson but mostly my wife in the back side facing seats --shes usually laid on one while GS gets to sit up front with me :BigGrin: but then again my van is pre 2007 :Wink:
    terry
    PS i don't think insurance issues come into it--I have never had to state how many passenger seats or anything
     
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    My Rapido MH is a 4 berth with 2 side facing seats , i asked my insurance company Safeguard they said no problem ,all passengers are covered .:thumb:

    Morally , Hasn't Health and safety gone too far ? . :Eeek:
     
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    When you get on a bus you can sit facing forward's or sideways and
    nobody gives it a second thought, likewise with trains and boats, IMHO
    Elf and safety has gone way too far already
     
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    Bus, train, or boat, you do not have a choice, if you want to get where you are going.

    Buying a mh personally, and being personally responsible for your passenger's health and safety (most likely your kids), is different to the above.

    I agree the chances of an accident are slim, but should an accident happen, I do not want my 6' 2' ,14 stone son flying into the back of my head.

    As I have said in a previous post, my first ever test drive of a motorhome lasted all of 300yards from the dealership before a car full of teenagers sideswiped the back of of the MH.

    Sh*t can and does happen.

    I will never be convinced that it is ok to carry unbelted passengers.
     
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    Imagine you have just spent £50,000 on a beautiful, but fragile, work of art.

    Would you just plonk it on the back seat of you MH and hope it survives the journey in one piece?

    What value would you put on your child's life?
     
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    having doubts about what happens

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vZdoomTuA"]Fiat Ducato Camper "Wohnwagen" (48 Km/h) Frontal Impact - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I am always telling my kids to "Belt Up" in the back
     
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    You now something must be wrong when your habitation module overtakes the cab :Doh:
     
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    Unfortunately accidents do happen - I took these photos of a 'poorly' motorhome in a compound last year:
     

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    I have always found it very strange that some 4 berth motorhomes only have seatbelts for 2 people even some brand new ones.:Eek!::Eek!:
     
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    Regarding insurance .. all companies are different of course .. but come an accident they will always point at the amount of belted passenger seats indicated on the v5. If you have 2 or 3 .. give them a call and tell them you carry 4 or 5 regularly and see what they say.
    (Dont do that!)
     
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    You don't need to ask a forum - or anyone else - just ask yourself...........

    I've carried my own children in a MH un-belted ...........carefully.........

    would I blame myself if anything had happened to them ? ............absolutely !!!!



     
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    Good morning funsters,

    I have just seen the news here in Belgium.

    Yesterday there was ab accident,
    A motorhome and a 4X4.

    The 4X4 was traveling too fast and could notmake it round the bend.

    He went onto the wrong side of the road and hit the motorhome head on.

    The driver and front seat pasenger where ok but there two grandchildren in the back or both dead.

    It is believed there where no seat belts in the rear it was an old motorhome.

    So are seat belts law or not?

    Does it mater

    Very sad for all concerned.


    Mel
     
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    That's so sad, Mel, but absolutely proves the point, doesn't it?
     
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    Just had an update.

    The children where 18 & 19

    The motorhome driver 100% in the right but how will they live with this.

    For Gods sake the person that told the customer they dont need seatbelts is an order taker not a salesperson.

    I hope she reads this and re thinks what she tells customers.

    Thankfully very few motorhome's are involved in accidents.


    Mel
     
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