Scooters - how big an engine...

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  1. bungy

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    Afternoon all

    Im toying with the idea of getting a little scooter/moped to go on the back of the van

    Not having ever having had one before, im curious as to the engine size capabilities

    Ideally id like to stick to 50cc so i can use it on my existing driving licence, and ideally it would be able to manage up and down hills OK as well as opposed to just around town - with two of us on it (Im a little short for my weight and the wife isnt :BigGrin:)

    weight wise it needs to be under 100kg, so i could bolt on carrier to the existing towbar set up which has a max downwards weight of 140kg

    Any advice welcomed:BigGrin:
     
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    Hiya Bungy,
    no matter what car/lorry licence you hold ( unless you have passed a car test in the last few years ) you will need to do a CBT, whether you go with a 'ped', or indeed a 125 something or other.

    It is not really a test as such, merely a one day course to make sure you can actually ride a moped or bike at a basic level :Smile:

    This from the DVLA:

    If you have a car driving licence
    If you passed your car driving test on or after 1 February 2001, you must complete a CBT course to confirm your full moped rights.
    If you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001 you don't need to complete a CBT course to ride a moped. However, the Driving Standards Agency (DSA) recommends that you do.
    If you want to ride a motorcycle you must apply for a provisional motorcycle licence and then complete a CBT course.


    Up until just a couple of years ago my advise would have been avoid bikes / scooters from China
    But today they offer a good selection to choose from at a reasonable cost

    As to what engine size.. That depends on a few things

    1) What do you weigh

    2) Do you intend to take a passenger ?

    3) Do you intend doing journeys in excess of, say, 8 miles ?
     
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    IMO the 50cc scooters are down right dangerous. Restricted to less than 30 MPH they wont keep up with other traffic and with 2 people up they are difficult to keep balance. We have all gone past them and looked in the mirror and the bow wave from the camper has blown them all over the road.
     
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    Thanks Jaws

    The one day CBT was one i had looked into as i passed my test before feb2001 but dont have any real experience on any powered 2 wheeled things, i am hoping not to have to go down the route of needing a light licence (A1) or a full motorbike licence, hence the 50cc bit..but needs must i guess

    on the weight and passenger front - lets say the combined weight of me and my wife is 26 stone, me being the predominant proportion of that (i blame walkers and an early introduction to the black stuff:drink: )

    Use wise i was thinking of being able to 30+ miles off the beaten track when out and about - places the van wont go and im to lazy to cycle that far!!
     
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    That's not my reading of the rules you set out Jaws.

    If your licence was obtained before 2001 and you only want to ride a 50cc then you dont need a CBT.
     
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    Hi Bungy
    If you passed your test before 2001 then you dont need to do a cbt but if you have never had a bike before it would be a good idea. I have a little 50cc for going to work and back i can get 45mph out of it downhill :Rofl1: i wouldn't think it would be safe to drive long distances with 2 people on it. Have you had a look at the 3 wheelers you can get now you dont need a bike licence for them im sure but might be a bit heavy.

    Gerry
     
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    Is that the ones with 2 wheels at the front - i saw one in France and had to take 4 or so looks before i spotted what looked odd about it

    one of these Piaggio
     
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    hadnt thought about that - i suspect the passenger might not like that idea much!
     
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    I think(but you need to check) that you can ride one of those up to 400cc on a pre 2001 car licence but without doing CBT/Bike test. Weird looking things though.
     
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    that they are - and heavy, all over my 100kg wish list im afraid, without going down the trailer route
     
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    I could only ride a 50cc on my licence back in 2000 and took a test rather than the cbt and passed so I can take Tez on the back now but only on a scooter up to 125cc.
    Test was easy and didn't have to take the theory as I passed my test back in 73.
    So are you saying the rules have changed now?:Sad:
    Seems really daft that Tez has had an HGV but cannot take a 125 scooter on the road but I can and have never held an HGV.
    So he has to ride pillion with me!!!!:Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    hello bungy you want a 4 stroke 50cc great little bikes we are the same weight combined as youselfs and always hire one when we go away and there great up and down the hillls ? these new bikes now have the power so cbt bla bla bla ye dont need it so go and buy one dogmanlpool
     
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    Cheers:thumb:

    twas what i was hoping - hadn't thought about hiring one to be honest, sounds like a good plan before spending out too much:BigGrin:

    probably do the one day thing anyway before i terrorize the roads:Laughing:
     
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    I have just bought a scooter for the back of the van last week.

    A Suzuki address 125.

    I rode it back from Scotland to Newcastle, sitting about 60 / 65 mph. It did 94 mpg. Since I've been back using around town I'm getting about 130 mpg.
    4 speed semi automatic, a bit like the old Honda C90. It's fun to ride and surprisingly nippy (for a scoot!):thumb:

    It will carry 2 comfortably and keep up safely with the traffic. It weighs 104 kg.

    I intend to put it on the back of the van, though it may fit in the garage if I remove the Top Case and mirrors..
    The next bit is to get the tow-bar and scooter rack fixed. May need to ask some Funsters advice on the options for that one.

    I got a full bike licence but my wife plans to do CBT so she can use it as well:RollEyes:
     

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    Sorry dogmanpool but I disagree with this, a 50cc for 2 'larger' adults isn't going to be any fun at all! Quite apart from the slowness of the thing, they are cramped and, unless you are related to a frog, you won't like sitting like one for ages!

    I've driven moped/scooters/bikes since I was 17 and having had experience of many different types of smaller engined ones, I certainly wouldn't go below 100cc for 2 up 'relaxed' riding. Not only do you get more speed, you get more space/legroom, a better ride etc.

    The other point is safety - a 50cc scooter is okay for tootling around for youngsters, or those of a smaller size, but for 2 larger adults it would be a liability for the reasons that some have already mentioned.

    As for not taking a CBT because the bikes have the power - that is one of the most stupid things I have heard! :Doh: A CBT is about how to handle the thing, learn how to position it on the road, what to be aware of etc - just because you've driven a car or motorhomes, or even a HGV, it doesn't meant that you automatically know how to ride a bike or scooter. I can easily pick out the idiots who have just got on a bike or scooter without any training because they are 'allowed' legally to, due to the stupid/dangerous/nervous way they ride and the situations they get themselves into.

    If you value your life then get some training - even if you are only going to hire a bike or scooter you should know how to ride it.:Smile:
     
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    hello minx if you had read my post right you would read it that i said when am on holiday i always hire a scooter 50cc and it is fine for me and my girl to potter about on what bungy wants ????? i do agree if ye cant ride one then have some lessons coz it is pointless havn a CBT if you dnt need it at £90 a go ? thats a full years insurance for some scooters and with this present climate its all about saving money ?? and are freind bungy only asked what scooter and the poor chap has been bombed with CBT chit chat and that wasnt what he asked cause he already knew the DVLA rules ? and just to say 4 stroke engines that are in these scooters are not like the 50cc you are on about thanks dogmanlpool
     
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    Last month when on an Aire in France I parked up next to an English guy who had just bought a nice looking brand new 50cc Chinese scooter (4 stroke), which he carried in the garage of his new m/h.

    He had said he bought it because it was only about 85 kg (he was worried about his payload) and it fitted in his m/h garage.

    However, after having used it on holiday for a few weeks he was really disappointed with it's performance.

    He told me it struggled up any incline of note with him and his wife on it ( I guessed they were about 20 to 25 stone combined.) He said he kept having to change down till it was barely crawling in first. He also said it was scary on any busy road as it would only do about 30 to 40 mph max and any traffic passing especially trucks did make him wobble it unsettled him.

    He hoped when he got back he could get the dealer would let him exchange it for a 100c or 125cc to get an acceptable level of performance, as it just did not perform as he had hoped.
     
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    thanks everyone for the advice/comments etc :thumb:

    I guess what it comes down to is personal preference, comfort levels and confidence

    me thinks itll be a try before i buy scenario, after doing the 1day cbt thing that is :BigGrin:
     
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    I did read your post right, which said:

    As for my response, if you read it correctly, you'd see where I was coming from - you said that YOU always hire one but then went on to say for him to BUY one and also basically dismissed the CBT as being pointless ....:Doh:

    You're correct that bungy didn't ask for info on the CBT but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned and why, postings would be really boring if everyone stuck literally to the question that was asked, especially if the original poster then went ahead with what he had been told without realising the other implications of doing so because no one bothered to mention it .... :Blush:

    When you are on holiday and you hire one, do you have all the gear to ensure that if you come off it you don't badly injure yourself as you scrape along the road ... or are you one of the people that goes around on them in shorts and sandals .... :Cool:
     
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    have you thought about a quad????
    and personally id use a trailer as to hang 100kg on the rear of the van will just about lose you all your payload.
     
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