reversing a small trailer problems

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  1. Heyupluv

    Heyupluv Read Only Funster

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    You may or you may not have seen this trailer...but some may be interested

    Anybody knows that has driven with trailers the smaller the trailer the harder to reverse...meaning if you had long trailer like a artic trailer unit with the wheels at the rear it is far easier than a small 3' square camping trailer that you can not see that keeps jack-knifing.....well I was reading my French motorhome magazine and came across this unit....no web site but did find a u-tube film.....it won first prize 2008 innovation award
    what it does it makes the trailer semi rigid unit going forwards and backwards but does allow movement up and down on the road the rear wheel is in fact a large Jockey wheel with suspension ideal for scooters and motor bikes it also looks adjustable for different size machines.......so funsters that have trouble reversing the small trailer and do not have a rear camera it could be ideal. It is the wheel that moves not the trailer around the corners...it has two tow hitches


    Its called the Bi-Jockey in the magazine and in the film a Bi-Jokey

    Mel........:thumb::thumb: what do you think

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqrgUYmbHO4&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
     
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    I have often thought about a similar idea, well maybe I should have done something about it and made my fortune.
    Providing the manufacture is of quality I reckon it could be a winner, although you would want to have the trailer as short as possible as all you are doing is increasing the o.a. length of your rig.
    :Smile::thumb:
     
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    Its a shame did'nt, as many good idea's,are simple just think now where you could have been now....

    its simple but good

    Mel:thumb:
     
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    its certainly not unique.
    there was a company in the uk making a similar thing but with two castor wheels.
    last i heard he gave up on the concept and the company altogether.
    cant find any reference to it on the web.

    too many bad reports.
    very expensive as well. i seem to recall around £1600.

    to hitch it to the towbar required two 50mm balls set some distance apart.
     
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    The email address for the BI-JOCKEY TRAILER is cdeloubes@terre-net.fr

    Telephone is 06 86 97 09 90 France 0033

    Address 8 quartier Miselle - 33210 PREIGNAC

    Mel :thumb:
     
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    John ....I should imagine that trailer will be expensive being over here in France....
    Mel:Eeek:
     
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    you can say that again!!!!!!!

    Mel
     
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    well thanks very much,, that looks great,, i used to carry a 125 bike on a rack, still to haevy, still to much up and down movement on chassis,,, have a big bike 850cc cant put that on a rack,, so its a trailer,, and all the problems,, i e, lane 3, speed limit, ferry, and storage,, this looks perfect,,, o k, whats the catch,, is it a trailer, what is the nose weight on tow ball, insurance,, i am realy serious ,, i would like to know,, any help or advice , yes please,,,
    you say its french,,,,, oooooooohh, so was the c 15, dare i say more, was realy into this,,,, then ,, its french,,,, i love the bread,, and the cakes,,, but this is technicalll,,

    i want one,, i know of others who would want one,,,, but its still french,,,, help please:Sad::Sad::Sad::Sad:
     
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    who's idea was it in the first place Mmmmmmmmm I wonder
     
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    I have just found out the price....bloo-y h-ll.. buying french would not put me off just the price...I HAVE PUT THE DETAILS UP FOR YOU.....BUT JOHN pappajohn said one was made in England tyr to google?
     
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    i would say, because the wheels are at the back of the trailer it stands to reason the hitch weight will be 50% of the trailers gross weight.
    the trailer looks substancial plus the bikes weight, it may weigh upwards of 250>300kg with a large bike.
    so 150kg nose weight over the two balls....thats a large chunk of payload.

    a rule of thumb is 7% of the trailers gross is a good nose weight. (from memory as a tugger)
     
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    Your spot on there Papajohn - I remember it well although I dont think the original one used 50mm balls I think it was horizontal pins - back then no one really worried about nose weight - I think from memory the problem was high price and a very low carrying capacity.
     
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    not that long ago.
    they were at stratford last year and possibly malvern as well.
    and yes, i seem to remember the payload was pretty low.
    i beleive your right about the fixings too.
     
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    The ones I am thinking of were about 40 years ago so the idea has been around a fair while - I guess with a single caster type wheel the possibilities in suspension are faily limited
     
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    Found a usa site www.discount-trailers.com they have various trailers for motorcycles/atv etc The trailer shown on earlier posts seems to be a called a swivel wheel motorcycle trailer.

    Ant & Debs:Smile:
     
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    Is it legal??

    Just as a matter of interest,

    Overhang behind rear wheels should not exceed half the distance between the two axles, for the obvious reason that as you turn your rear end will go across the other carriageway, or pavement depending which way you turn.

    Surely this devce will do just that because of the lack of sideways movement, looking at the U-Tube video the vehicle comes well into that category.

    So as its fixed is it a trailer or part of the vehicle ????????

    I think the idea of the jockey wheel is good but needs more thought.
     
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    You can try CMF engineering (www.cmf-engineering.com) they sell one with dual wheels and are UK based.
    Deno

    Edited - Sorry looked into it further and they have a sideways mounted trailer but not with the swivelling wheels.
     
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