Restarting after being in storage for eight months

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  1. EA7VPG

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    Our Fiat Ducato has been in storage since February nearby Torre Del Mar. Last week I decided to call in at the secure parking venue to flash it up in readiness for the great escape now that summer is nearly over here whilst my Berlingo was getting it's ITV (MOT)
    Yes you have guessed it.... click click click came from the engine compartment. No problem I will drag out the 95Ah leisure battery using the jump starter cables. No, still click click click. I then dragged out the second 95Ah leisure battery, both are solar powered charged. No , click click came from the engine. No problem I will jump start it from the Berlingo later in the week. For the technies I disconnected the negative of the engine bay battery in case that was so flat it was loading the two other batteries. Later that week I tried the Berlingo jump start... still click click click with the crocodile clips red hot after trying. Must be the starter motor or Bendix seized I thought, wrongly as it happened. I then paid for the UK mechanic to join me the following morning. First job was to replace my original battery with one of my 95Ah leisure batteries which I took home to charge... both leisure batteries which were in good condition being trickled charged via the solar panel. First turn of the ignition and vroom she started no problem at all. Why ? you ask when I tried jump starting with effectively three separate batteries. The Chinese Emporium jump starter leads look the bees knee's with an OD of 14mm with moulded crocodile clips so you can't see the conductor within, however after some measurement's the diameter of the copper conductor on the inside is so small that the volt drop was so great it made the leads ineffectual for jump starting. No wonder they were so hot almost on the point of literally fusing the conductor. The mechanic and I did some quick tests with his welding cable jump leads which did work. So around 150 euro for a new 95Ah Varta battery before the next trip and 35 euro for the mechanics call out. So readers be careful, buy cheap buy dear. Emporium stuff here may look the part but they certainly don't play the part. Joking apart I also bought some white spray paint from the Emporium only for it to dry Canary yellow, a red towel which turned my face into a tomato after wiping the sweat off and finally don't be tempted to buy Emporium windscreen wipers, you'll be sorry. Hope this helps. Oh yes, nearly forgot, DO NOT buy spare fuses for your motorhome. The gauge of metal is so thin which creates heat and intermittent connections creating all sorts of distractions. The frying pan's aint too bad though for juts one season.
     
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    Sounds as if your cheap shop is expensive after all.:rolleyes:

    Nice photo's on QRZ :)
     
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    I have bought a few sets of jump leads in Spain over the years but always from one of the large supermarket chains and those have not been brilliant. I even got to the stage of weighing them in the vegetables department before buying to give me some idea of the copper content :cautious:
     
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    As they say,
    Cheap no good,
    Good no cheap.
     
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    Yes, I've tried the windscreen wipers and they perform poorly. (And they were 3euros EACH!)
    Norman
     
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    So, you bought wipers at €3 each and expected them to work. A fool and his money are soon parted. ;)
     
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  7. EA7VPG

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    Thanks for the comments... buy cheap pay dear. Emporiums do have a purpose..... if they can supply something that is thinner, lighter, brighter, looks the part and is eventually disposable they will.
    I learnt the hard way here having fitted a new kitchen when one year later the wall units started falling away from the wall battens. The heads of the screws had literally fallen off.
     
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    When we lived in Spain we called them 'shit shops', nuff said.
     
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    For Jump Leads for use on diesel engines up to 2.5 litre and a length of max 5 metres you need to consider 35 sq good quality copper leads with strong insulated croc clips too many are of a lot less and the croc clips are actually plastic with a few strips of copper to make contact - barely good enough for a petrol engine up to 1.5 litres with a part charged battery
     
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    What are carp leads ? ( sorry.. never heard of them .. )am I missing a trick ?
     
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    Bugger.. just realised............
    Would that ( should that ) have been crap leads ?
     
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    We've had a set of Ripaults commercial jump leads since the 1980's, decently made of good quality components. They weren't cheap then and I don't think they make them now, but I'd buy another set in a flash if I saw some on sale.

    Most of the cheaper sets really are rubbish, I've seen them melt in use.

    These don't look too bad, but I haven't used them myself:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201134588401

    Peter
     
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    I've posted this before and it served me well. We used to print this on the front of our Quotation pages for the customer.

    "There is nothing in this life that some unscrupulous fellow

    cannot make a little cheaper and hence a little nastier

    and anyone who considers Price alone

    are this mans legitimate prey."
     
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    With regard to Hong Kong fueys top quality wipers . I always use them They last just as long here with the dust as top quality Bosch ones. ..about a month before they have a smear. so for 2,50€ a blade I just change them regularly.
    I know some people moan about the quality of some of the stuff But I have never really had a problem with anything I've bought.
    You have to remember also that most of the stuff sold in chinese shops here is sold in the UK in some of the 'pound' shops & other more expensive ones like Wilko's , at vastly inflated prices.
    In the UK recently & my nephew purchased 2 12v multi adaptors. One 3 way +usb & second 5 way + 2 x usb.First was £5,50 & other £8,50.
    Identical ones here I saw on Monday in hkfueys , from same manufacturer/same packing 2,30€ & 3,20€

    I always use my own welding cable jump leads though. Anothe thing a lot ofpeople do when faced with a dead flat battery is put the leads terminal to terminal which is halving the battery capacity as the good one is flowing in to the flat one.
    The leads should be positive form good battery to posite on dead one . Negative on good battery to a good earth on the engine or starter motor.
     
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    The good battery will try to charge the dead one wherever you connect the leads.
     
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    Beat me to it Tony !

    But the rest of the post I absolutely agree with.

    All the cheapo wipers are about the same quality.. It is not until you get up in to the 'jeeez, they are bloody stupid silly expensive' range there is a notable difference in them
     
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    I sell this unit to a lot of car dealers, it's a fantastic bit of kit, it's the size of a iphone 6 plus, has USB ports, torch and phone charging cables, ideal for keeping in the van, it will start motorhomes no problem even if the battery is dead flat.
    http://www.launchtech.co.uk/battery-chargers/

    Ps I can do them a bit cheaper for anyone interested.
     
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