Remap illegal from Jan?

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  1. Wildman

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    There are to be some changes to the MOT test from 1st January 2012 which are being introduced in response to European Commission Directive 2010/48/EU of the 5th July 2010 and which will effect those with aftermarket HID headlights and remapped ECUs:

    4.1.4 Compliance with requirements:
    (a) Lamp, emitted colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements
    (b) Products on lens or light source which obviously reduce light intensity or change emitted colour
    (c) Light source and lamp not compatible

    4.1.5. Levelling devices (where mandatory):
    (a) Device not operating.
    (b) Manual device cannot be operated from driver’s seat.

    4.1.6 Headlamp cleaning device (where mandatory):
    Device not operating.

    For anyone with a remap, section 6.1.9 may be relevant.

    6.1.9 Engine performance:
    (a) Control unit illegal modified.
    (b) Illegal engine modification.

    (by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications)

    There will also be a new check on the general condition of the wiring:

    4.11. Electrical wiring
    (a) Wiring insecure or not adequately secured.
    (b) Wiring deteriorated.
    (c) Damaged or deteriorated insulation

    and on the function of airbag and seat belt pre-tensioner systems:

    7.1.4. Safety belt Pre-tensioners:
    Pre-tensioner obviously missing or not suitable with the vehicle.

    7.1.5. Airbag:
    (a) Airbags obviously missing or not suitable with the vehicle.
    (b) Airbag obviously non-operative.

    7.1.6. SRS Systems:
    SRS MIL indicates any kind of failure of the system.

    Some of the above won't be popular with some around here I know, but VOSA have confirmed that the necessary changes to the MOT test schedule will be introduced and from 1st January 2012 vehicles that fall foul of the new requirements will fail the test.

    [HI]The biggest change is they will now be able to detect re-maps, and car will fail the MOT if this is the case.
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    One assumes this has been brought in because a lot of people who re-map their cars don't inform their insurance company.
     
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    I'm sure I read here that the remap/MOT thing was tosh
     
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    and be aware,if you have had a remap,and not informed your insurance company and you have a smash,the insurance company will check for illegal remaps,you can guess the rest:Doh:bye bye payout:cry:
    bit like putting a motorhomefun sticker in your window:Doh:
     
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    does not affect me but seeing the quote on a reputable site for the first time I thought it worth posting. If Geo agrees it is rubbish then maybe the thread should be removed to save people getting their knickers in a twist.
     
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    If you buy a second hand van how can you tell if it has been remapped?
     
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    well from the looks of it wait until next years MOT is due and you will find out:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    MOT testing stations cannot detect a remap. The ONLY way they will be able to ascertain whther "something may not be quite right" is if you are a cheapskate and have a "piggy back box of wires" which just splurts more fuel into the combustion chamber, that will probably get picked up on the emmissions test, especially if some of the fuel is unburnt.

    I noticed just half an ahour ago when in halfords, that they are selling plug in socket testers for trailer/caravan towing sockets, as I believe that is coming ionto the test, as is the security and integrity of towbars.
    To be honest though, there is a hell of a lot of crap being thrown around to scare people at the moment, GEO will no doubt shine a light on it, but normally.......anything included in the MOT test, should be bloody tested.
     
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    Had mine mapped two years ago..
    Only comment EVER made ( and I have mine done at a fairly serious testing station ! ) is 'nice and clean Mr Smith.. One of the better ones we have had'
     
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    So if I bought a second hand van and had an accident I could be in deep poo poo as I had not told them it was remapped, even if I dodnt know. How would the insurance company know?
     
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    Here is the VOSA MOT Testing Manual for Jan 2012

    I'm still wading through it

    download the pdf .. http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf


    EDIT

    I can find no mention of re-mapping .. only this comment in section 7.3

    Vehicles should normally be tuned to the manufacturer’s recommended settings wherever possible, but[HI] tuning is not part of the MOT test.[/HI]
     
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    Iv'e just re mapped my sat nav does that make it illegal now or would it be ok if i take it out the van when it goes for M O T :Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    There seems to be no end of disinformation floating around at the moment..
    Last week I had a huge run on LED numberplate lights..

    Could not figure out why until someone told me 'they are going to be in the MOT next year'

    Errr.. they have always been in the MOT but only as 'if fitted must work'

    Although a legal requirement under use and construction regs whether one is fitted or not has not changed in the MOT
     
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    AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER, WOW tuning told me, that a dealer could not detect a remap, but could overwrite it. Now by that i mean that the spotty oik who's grabbed the OBD reader instead of the grease gun, may just "reset default" if he has any problems, POSSIBLY, a tech would do that anyway, much the same as we all "unplug and plug in again" anything that does not work. If that happens, bang goes your remap, and you'll have to cough up to have it done again............I am currently, (because i forgot until this post) in contact with my insurers underwriters (saga), I'll let you know how i get on.
     
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    the wife is a merc service adviser,when she came home for dinner i asked if merc could pick up a remap,she upon return to work,asked a teccy,and the answer is yes with a simple plug in and read the ecu:cry:
    i also know vauxhall can do this with tec ii:cry:
     
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    My Merc lads all told me the same
    Their Star box will detect a fault, an old fault, a reset, an error.. in fact all sorts of things

    BUT

    They always say thanks when I tell them about the maps I have done ( mainly on Smarties ) cos if I dont tell them and they find an error, they would simply do a total reset as they have no way of knowing that the original map has been changed without a 40 minute download and anything up to 3 hours to work their way through all the parameters

    So unless MOT times are going to be put up to several hours ( and the fee's adjusted to suit ) AND the MOT stations are going to have every map for every vehicle ever made, I somehow doubt it is going to be much of an issue ( As a for instance, my pre-facelift 2.8 pug engine has 18 different uses in vans alone.. Given all the other apps it is used for I would expect maybe 60plus maps ?

    Now .. how many different makes and models are there using different engines ?

    Then of course there is the issue of people like Konig
    Do you REALLY think they will allow their maps in to the public domain ! ?
     
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    Chris, I know that you are a techie guy but I would dispute this, but not give a rational over a forum but over a beer.
    I have on occasions studied remapping extensively for both motorcycle racing and having had 3 vans done, as well as cars and bikes
    As for insurance ive always told them and not once has it resulted in an increased premium

    oh wel ^^^^^^^^^^up there has given the simple answer
     
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    if the remap increases HP then you must inform insurance,may not increase premium,but does not give the insurance reason not to pay out after a smash:Doh:
     
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    :Doh: coming back at ya :Wink: didn't say I hadn't, only that they are never interested when I do :man_in_love:
     
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    iv had my car remaped from 150 bhp to 190 bhp and informed the insurance company.
    as i said in my first post insurance company's must be informed of ANY mods made,not just remaping,i would hate to think a member gets a payout refused on the grounds of haveing a mod done,and not informing their insurance:Doh:
    the barstards will use any excuse not to pay:Angry:
     
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    there's never any need for people to fall out over views, but remapping needs to be discussed now and then, if only tto stop people being fleeced at some of the shows or in the mags.
    The first caravan show i ever went to, a chap was selling "power boosters" for motorhomes..........he needed a punch in the face:BigGrin:, it was a little box the size of a matchbox with a few wires hanging out, it probably squirted a cup full of jiffy down the port when told to by the throttle sensor.
    This sort of "upgrade" is dangerous, not only to the driver, but fuel consumption, and engine longevity...I,d go as far as to say, it WILL kill your engine sooner or later.

    A remap, is what is says,.......the "map" that is followed by the ECU at all different operating conditions, is a little "loose". It is designed for temperatures, fuel qualities, ambient temps, air temps in LOADS of different countries, and under different loadings.
    If we were talking about just the chassis,...the mapping may be right, BUT, that may be alright for Mr Parcelman, carrying 500kgs of parcels,....it may also be alright for a people carrier (15 people weigh 0ne ton)....but to be carrying a motorhome that is ON or OVER the design weight, the mapping needs to be erring on the side of power rather than speed.
    The old "power to weight" calculations apply moreso here,....Mr Boy racer, will use his extra 35 BHP to go into a corner faster so that he can drift out of it, Mr Motorhome user will use HIS extra 35bhp to ease his foot off the pedal a bit and get another 50 miles out of a tankfull.

    Once you get into serious tuning, you need bigger intercoolers, bigger exhaust's, everything "matched" to be honest, or you end up like a lot of landrovers....with blown headgasketts, warped exhasut manifolds, or melted pistons, its about that time, that you would be wise to fit a much bigger engine:BigGrin:
     
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