Refillable Gas Bottles

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  1. Kevingrc

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    Hi again, just reading a post that mentions gasit refillable bottles, where do you get these bottles refilled, what are the pros and cons of these please?
     
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    Refill them at the petrol station. We just got ours. Keep your eye on ebay , gumtree etc. Or buy new.
    We go through a lot of gas so should recuperate our £190 quickly :)
     
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    cons = cost i guess. GasIt offer reasonably priced kit

    pros = les hassle, no changing bottles, no problems travelling country to country through Europe, where LPG available in a good few fuel stations (POI available) what's not to like:)
     
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    As a rough guide the cost of filling with LPG from a petrol station is just under half the cost of exchanging a calor bottle of similar size. And there are cheaper places to fill up than petrol stations so that's a worst case!
     
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    Thanks folks, are there a lot of adapters needed for europe( hoping to get there eventually), do you just open the outside hatch to fill or have I read that you need an external filling point fitting?
     
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    three adapters covers all EU

    filling either in locker .. or external .. my prefernce was external fill point

    see my post on fitting two 11kg Gaslow bottles in a Hymer 644
     
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    Thanks Jim, I know I'm a pest but what are the three adapters please.
     
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    when we had an LPG powered car we had one of these for use in France, never needed any other adaptor

    we still have one of them and have just fitted refillable cylinders, off to France at the weekend and hope it is still the only one needed (y)
     
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    for Spain i havent bothered buying thde adapter as garages I have used seem to hold a box full. Whoever you buy the kit from will advise and supply adapters. External filler best but many manage with it inside locker door, as long as your prepared to be refused..But I don't think it happens much
     
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    Filling Abroad
    There are currently four different LPG pump nozzle connections in use across Europe. By simply screwing on one of the three foreign filling adapters you can adapt the UK connection to enable you to fill anywhere in Europe and even further afield.

    UK Bayonet
    This fitting is standard on all Gaslow Filler Kits
    UK, Holland

    01-4300: French/Italian Adapter
    France, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Norway, Austria, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Sweden, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland and Luxembourg.

    01-4305: Euro/Spanish Adapter
    Spain, Germany

    01-4310: Euro Adapter
    Germany, Ireland, USA, Belgium, Croatia, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand.


    French, Italian adapter


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    Euro Spanish adapter

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    Euro fill

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    http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/.../Categories/Gaslow_Refillables/Filling_Abroad
     
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    A big thanks to all especially you Jim brilliant forum
     
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    Needed to know that answer too.
     
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    My mate got caught out in Portugal, although the garages carry the adaptors the the thread on the adaptor that fits the inlet was a totally different size.
     
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    We have an 85L under-slung tank and the filler is on the skirt. No problems most of the time but I have been refused twice once in the UK (Reason: They don't allow campervans to fill up) and once in France where the pump was switched off by the attendant, as I connect up. I was also refused in Italy a few years back as I went to fill the gas after filling diesel (Reason: not for cooking). Went to the next garage down the road and filled up OK.
     
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    likewise in France with my RV.. after filling with diesel, moved over to the LPG. the attendant rushed out when she saw me open the LPG tank locker.. can't recall the French .. but it was clear the reason was it was NOT for cooking..
     
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    I tried to get my VAT reduced to 5% yesterday, they were having none of it, incorrectly telling me they have to pay 20% so therefore so do I

    I had only spent £9 so not worth pursuing, has anybody 'got away with' getting their VAT reduced, with this gas being for heating and cooking only it should not be 20%
     
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    You usually have to pay the higher price at garage forecourts, but there is usually a propane gas specialist in most areas where you can fill with non road gas. It just depends if its going to be a trail as to whether its worth it.
     
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    Is Portugal the same as Spain?
     
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    Newer outlets are, older ones same as France.
     
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    Countrywide and Calor main Depots (not all Calor Depots) in both cases you have to open an account although Calor will only deal with payment on the spot as their system reverts the transaction to 20% VAT otherwise. (This problem took a while to sort out and they haven't found a fix yet)
    The only forecourt garage I know that will supply at 5% VAT is a Grizebeck in the south Lakes.

    I contacted HMRC a few year back and had it confirmed that 5% VAT is payable on LPG used for heating and refrigeration. I gave the Grizebeck garage the letter and he keeps it pined up on view.

    I have tried all the majors and they say they cannot do it because of the possibility of fraud by their staff. One garage now refuses to serve campervans at all after I showed them the letter from UKLPG. They say they cannot have their staff judging if the vehicle has a bottle/tank that is legal to be filled or not. They have had a further letter from UKLPG putting them right (UKLPG sent me a copy) but they will not budge.

    They are correct in saying they have to pay 20% VAT on the gas in the tank, as is excise duty, as this is charged by HMRC on delivery to their tank and not at point of sale. However they can then reclaim the difference back, but this involves them having to account for it separately and making a claim. This is just to much effort for them.

    The balance of duty on Bio Diesel used for domestic heating can be reclaimed by individuals from an HMRC unit in Gosforth (Newcastle upon Tyne) but they will not include LPG in this scheme. More pressure may change their mind.

    I use 1100 litres of LPG per year on average so a saving is beneficial. However my last fill at Calor was at 0.714ppl @5% VAT. The other garage in the area was 0.65ppl including VAT at 20% I later found out.
     
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