Puncture prevention treatment

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  1. golly

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    Hi

    I am changing my van later this month, getting an Auto-sleeper Surrey on a Merc chassis that's what I get for going to the Marquis opening :RollEyes:. Anyway it doesn't have a spare wheel and there isn't really anywhere to put one. Has anyone any experience of the treatments such as ultra seal that seal punctures as the occur, and is there anywhere in the north east that would do it.

    Thanks John
     
  2. Phill D

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    I have Puncture safe they have agents all over they called to the house and did the van it varies from £15 - £18 a wheel. look on their web site and email them and they will give you a local contact.:thumb:
     
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    It is worth mentioning that contrary to all the absolute old squit the goo sellers will tell you, not one single tyre manufacturer supports or recommends the use of the stuff and if a warranty claim on a tyre is made it will be rejected if ANY type of goo is found.. It is also on the 'should advise insurance company' list of many insurers

    If you read the small print it states, tested at xx mph

    NO WHERE does it say it passed any recognised tests, only that it was tested.. Clever wording indeed.

    Having said that, I am sure it is fine in vans and other slow moving vehicles.. but I and a good many others have been actively trying to get it banned for use in motorcycles after bikers died with it in their tyres. ( A bike can out accelerate the damned gloop, and it can throw the balance out so massively the bike turns in to a pogo stick )
     
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    Hi

    Don't know of latest treatments, but when the treatments first became available although they seemed to work, but they built up a bad reputation with tyre fitters and it could be difficult to have repairs carried out. I don't know first hand if this is still the same, as it has always stopped me using it.
     
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    I can see have a bike acceleration could outrun the rotating gOOOO... especially if there was the slightest amount too much in play.

    also

    my only reservation is as you say... what the tyre fitter is going to say !!!! when time comes:Eeek:
     
  6. golly

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    The only other thing I can think of is to get a wheel and fasten it somehow onto the bike rack :Eek!: How much does a wheel weigh ?
     
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    many wont touch a tyre with it in and others charge the earth to remove it before attempting repairs.
     
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    or to save weight do as many RV owners do....just carry a tyre without a rim.

    if it will fit flat in a locker, then stow soft/bendy items inside it and place a shallow bucket in the center and stow small items in the bucket.

    no loss of storage space then.

    but be warned....many breakdown clubs wont attend if you don't have a serviceable spare on board so dont tell them initially and the driver might take you to a local garage for repairs..not a recovery, just you and the wheel/spare tyre.
     
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    Its just washed out with water.
     
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    have you seen one being removed...bloody stuff goes everywhere, including over the tyre fitter. :Doh:
     
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    or...

    i got ours done after talking with our local tyre fitter about my options as we dont have a spare either, they recommended using it, and once we'd bought the stuff they even put it in all 4 wheels for £10 all in...i asked about what happens when we need a new tyre etc and they quite simply said, no worries as we know its in there we know what to do with it...they are the place of choice for lots of local farmers who also use it...so not worried,

    obviousley may be a different story if we have a problem when we are away...but hell, that could be said of lots of things on a van!! all part of the adventure:BigGrin:

    end of the day...its an option...

    meant to add...hasnt affected handling etc...quite the opposite it feels better now:Cool:
     
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  12. golly

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    Now, you see, I never thought of that, good idea. Why are manufacturers going down the "no spare" route is it just a money saving exercise.
     
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    hi, i will start by saying this my own personel experience ,and in no way to be taken as an invitation or advise to purchase any such 'goo'.
    but i have been using this stuff for a good number of years,and never had a puncture i n any treated tyre, i have though worn tyres out that have been fitted with this stuff and to be honest it is absolutely no bother at all when changing the tyres.i am at a loss to see how a motorbike can accelerate faster than the goo can spin out(i understand the theory behind the comment ,but every time i have found it within a tyre casing it is stuck to the tread area) i personaly have never seen it still in its raw 'goo' state at the bottom of the tyre.
    but obviously there must be loads of different makes,maybe some are better than others. hope this hasn't confussed you any more.but i will continue to use it untill i see concrete evidence that convinces me not to .:thumb:
     
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    My own personal rational for using Sureseal

    Before I had a motorhome (3 yrs ago) every time one of our vehicles had a puncture the scenario was always the same- "Ah sir,the puncture is too close to the tyre wall-we're not allowed to repair it" "Ah sir,although your tyre is legal the tread depth is below that at which we are allowed to repair the puncture"
    So,any puncture ended up as a new tyre-and once,2 new tyres because the opposite tyre was quite worn,although still legal and "we really shouldn't let you leave here with it like that"
    When your are 100 miles from home with only a 'skinny' spare and a flat tyre on a Bank Holiday Mon. you are sort of in their hands !! and they know that.

    When we got the Motorhome we replaced the spare with an underslung LPG tank and I used to carry the spair in the underbed locker. Now it's left at home.
    Then I decided to try Sureseal in my 7 yr old tyres before replacing them-we travelled 15,000 miles without losing any pressure at all.:BigGrin:
    So,when I replaced them last yr I had the new ones treated with Sureseal-another 15,000 miles down the road and one tyre lost 3 lbs as indicated by Jims tyre pressure monitors:Smile: I pumped it up to pressure 3 weeks ago and,so far,so good.

    I know that if we get a flat it will be a recovery job-at 75yrs of age there's no way I was ever going to jack it up and change a wheel-so if Sureseal can prolong the inevitable thats ok by me.

    Tyre fitters don't like goo because they have to clean the rim scrupulously to get a good seal when they either re-fit an old tyre or fit a new one.
    Tyre manufactures don't like it because it can potentially reduce the number of tyres they sell. (I was told this by a manager of a large tyre fitting company)

    These are my own personal thoughts on this matter.
    Mike.
     
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    The American Ultraseal is a fantastic product that works. We did extensive testing on military vehicles in the early 80's and were well impressed.

    The same can't be said of the many copies that use the same or similar sounding names. Ultraseal from the USA has been TUV (and similar) tested around the world, it works, its not that messy when the tyre is removed, even after 3 years it still looks good. That can't be said of the copies which are often thinner and break down into a horrid yuk, this gives ultrseal a bad name, even though its not ultraseal.

    Ultrseal is limited in the type of punctures it can contain, but its well worth having if you don't have a spare:thumb:
     
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    money saving, cost cutting, profit increasing...call it what you want, it all amounts to the same thing.

    my car is fitted with 225/60/18 V rated (149mph) tyres yet the spare is a stupid 'do-nut' space saver type....inflated to 60psi and good for 50mph for 30 miles :Doh:
    no bigger than a motorbike front tyre and looks ridiculous when fitted.

    i appreciate large radius tyres and alloy wheels aint cheap but on a £31,000 (new) car i don't think another three hundred quid for a proper spare would put folks off buying the car.

     
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    Is ultraseal just available for DIY or are there installers.
     
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    Not sure, but I know you can get it here, they have a UK importer, just call them they will let you know. I bought some about 3 years ago for my trailer, it being a single axle and towed behind my RV I'd have never known if it had a puncture, so wanted to do all I could to prevent that. Its simple enough, but its important you put the right amount in.
     
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    i used to put green ocho in my tyres . have seen it leak out and spray the wheel arches . have had it that it didnt seal the tyres . couldnt get a patch to stick at all. put in a tube . later had another puncture again couldnt get a patch to stick on the tube . a moroccan heat vulcanized a patch on worked fine .
    i do give my tyres a hard life in the desert and up the tracks when away . have had a tyre with 11 small leaks . near the end of its tread life . put ocho in and it got me home from morocco .with out bother . at the time cost about 6 quid a bottle . these days with push in repairs i dont use ocho .but do carry a couple of bottles in case of emergency .
    it can be a bit messy to change tyres but very often its not .
    i would use it if i have to . i would put a tube in if i had to . i know its not recommended but with care and knowledge it would get me home .
    in some cases needs must just as to be done . luckily i cant drive very fast .
    this isnt instructions to do anything i do though .
     
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    on the other hand, i have been using nothing but air in my tyres for a good years and never had a puncture. :Doh:

    luck of the draw...you either get a puncture or you dont.
     
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