Propane explosion badly burns man..

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    A couple of days ago we were discussing Gas BBQs .. this one explodes and engulfs a camp site .. a salutary reminder that LPG can be lethal .. watch the video ... !

    Updated: Sat Jul. 30 2011 16:51:09

    ctvcalgary.canada

    A 34 year old Carstairs man is in Foothills Hospital with severe burns after a propane explosion at a Water Valley campground.

    It's still not clear what caused the explosion which left the man with burns covering more than half of his body.

    Amateur video showed the propane explosion, creating a fireball that consumed the entire campsite including an RV.

    Read more : http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110730/CGY_motorhome_explosion_110730/20110730/?hub=CalgaryHome
     
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    I have taken the gas out the Granvan and the next one on order will only have a microwave with grill in. At the moment we will carry a JML halogen oven. Of course one has to bear in mind that we will only use the odd campsite with mains hookup and carry hotwater\tea\coffee prepared in flasks and spend on the oldd night on our way to a mobile home or hotel.

    I have thought of an inverter and have read loads about it on here and on the other side and am still non the wiser. I have also considered not the microwave but a diesel cooker from Wesbasco ???

    Supposing I had a 800 watt microwave which I assume may need 1600watts to kick off, what is the minimum leisure battery size I would need and anything else to go with it.

    On Porky I had two gaslo s installed and we were travelling when we heard hissing and I assumed it was a tyre. But we could not stop as we were in road works with single lane and traffic lights. So we carried on and as the steering was not affected I thought it must be some other vehicle outside. When we arrived at our camp site we could still hear hissing and on inspecition, all my two bottles of gas were leaking. The gas was off but when I went to tell the missus the problem, she was boiling a kettle on the gas even though it was turned off. I called for a clean pair of pants to be dug out. I phoned up Chelston who fitted them and they advised me to let the gas escape while not allowing any naked lights anywhere near and engine off and key out of ignition.

    We were on our way home so we ate out so to speak and then the main man from Gaslo arrived at home and fitted the newer versions of the tanks telling me it was caused by a known manufacturing fault one these older models. Service and response was excellent but when Porky went to market at Johns Cross we decided to be gas free even extending to changing our gas cooker for a really expensive but crap electric one.

    Now I shall be worried about whom I park next too on a campsite. :Eeek:

    We still have gas central heating but in essence most of us are driving around with a bomb in our van and one in the house too. We live by percentages of risk.
     
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    As far as I am aware , North American barbies run on unregulated propane .. this being the case, the amount and speed of gas escaping would be considerably higher than from a regulated supply .. and once ignited ... :Eeek: I've always thought this was a dangerous design.. :RollEyes:
     
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    I think you are right. I also think my wife boiling a kettle while two cylinders of gas expel into the air around the van is also a dangerous sign not to mention driving down the road with it pouring out. One fag and.. Goodnight Irene. :cry:
     
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    You could always keep the gas and pack in smoking :BigGrin:
     
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    Such an indolent life, even have someone else to put your pants on :Rofl1:

    Shouldn't there have been a recall of this 'known manufacturing fault'
     
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    battery capacity is measured in amp/hours i.e how many hours a 1 amp discharge would use.
    so starting with the proviso that a battery should not be discharged more than 50%

    State of ChargeSpecific GravityVoltage12V6V
    100%............. 1.265.................. 12.7.. 6.3
    75% ..............1.225 ...................12.4 ..6.2
    50% ..............1.190 ...................12.2 ..6.1
    25% ..............1.155 ...................12.0.. 6.0
    Discharged ......1.120 ..................11.9.. 6.0

    a 110 amp/hr battery has a useable store of 55amps. A 600watt microwave, (ignoring the higher startup) will consume around 50 amps in one hour.amp = watts divided by volts in this case 600/12
    That is the microwave alone and leaves nothing for lights pump radio TV etc . In my mind there is no justification for a microwave in terms of economy. you use it at the expence of everything else. A battery is not a bottomless pit of power, what you take out has to be replaced.
    If you have a huge battery bank and lots of solar power then maybe you could think about it. Otherwise you would have to run the engine or a generator to recharge the battery every time you used it.
     
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    I often feel that many gas accidents could be avoided with a little training/education, or even reading, and leaning the instruction manual.

    Think about it, you are not allowed to drive a car without training, over simple I know there are many activities that we get up to that are potentially dangerous but there are ways to get the training, IE sailing, some kinds of flying, mountain claiming, skiing, riding a bicycle, but has anyone heard of a training course for the use of gas equipment?

    Doug...
     
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    Driving with the gas system live is dangerous and irresponsible.
    There will, no doubt, be some along soon who " have always done it, never had a problem", or "quite safely roast a joint whilst driving" etc.
    In an accident where escaping gas is present, the fireball size is phenomenal.
    Simple procedures make the job safe.
     
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    Best of all... I have someone who takes them off. :BigGrin: What perks do you have.? :Wink:

    The manufacturing was stopped and given to another company. I understand it was not gaslo fault but the company that made them. No idea if there was a recall but at the time I ended up with two spanking new ones, set up by Mr. Gaslo his self who also pointed out that Chelston, or the people they got in to install it had not done it correctly which is why my wife could cook while the gas was turned off.

    But on the plus side, if we hear of anyone disappearing in a puff of smoke and they had gaslo, you can be rest assured they have the olde worlde model. :Cool:
     
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    I have coincidentally the same year as this happened I think. 4 years of smoke free life and I have never had so much wrong with me since. :cry:
     
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    Many thanks indeed for your advice. I may well still go for the microwave but of course, it will only be used on mains hook up which for our slight useage should do us fine paticularly as we never stop now anywhere other than a campsite with mains hookup as we are too timid. Plus I am 65 and still have managed to get through life without being raped despite taking the battery out of my rape alarm. :Sad:
     
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    I would point out that our gas was off and always has been off even for the shortest journey. My wife is known as Ms. Health and Safety and boy do I need her around.
     
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    I rarely turn my gas off when travelling. How irresponsible am I being? :Blush:
     
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    I always turn it off. The risk of a gas pipe being fractured in an accident is low but is so simple to avoid by turning it off.
     
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    Ah, but is that a result of giving up smoking 4 years ago or retiring from IT 4 years ago? You could be suffering the withdrawal symptoms of not having to think in binary/octal/hex &c :Smile:
     
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    Risk of fuel pipes rupturing is low, also...but they do.

    Simple thing to turn it off, Jim
    Cant think of anything that relies on gas whilst travelling.
     
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    You're right I should turn it off. :Blush:

    Most RVs you see going down the road will have their gas on as most US fridges don't have a 12v option.
    Every motorhome with an LPG conversion will have theirs on too:Smile:
     
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    There will always be exceptions, Jim.

    Like the LPG comment: was waiting for it from somewhere!
     
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