PHG MOT Advice Required

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  1. Pat4Neil

    Pat4Neil Read Only Funster

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    Private Heavy Goods Vehicle MOT Advice Required

    Next year I intend to import an army truck ( 12 Ton ) that will eventually be converted to a Motorhome.

    Upon arrival into the UK it will be down plated to 7490 Kgs and will be come a Private Heavy Goods Vehicle.

    My question is what catagory of MOT will this vehicle require.

    I know that when it is eventually re classed as a motorhome after its construction it will be a class 4 ( Car ) MOT

    I cannot find out if this is also the case when it is a PHG Flat bed truck under 7500 kg

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Neil
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    could be wrong but i think it will be a class VII even if it is registered as PHG, until the conversion is complete and registered as such, then it becomes class IV.

    have you considered the payload implications of downplating by over a third of its grossweight.

    the bare truck may weigh near on 7500kg to start with...the army dont make them out of meccano ya know !!:Rofl1:... and then the conversion weight to add to that.
     
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    It will be tight on the payload front but its physically not a big vehicle, 7 Mtrs. ( its just built like an ox)

    Im not the first to use this vehicle as a base and other have manged to keep it under the 7500 kg mark

    Neil
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    a friend of mine imported a russian 'Ural' army truck for convertion, and they are built like the proverbial brick s...house. :thumb:
     
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    Sure someone who really knows for sure but at last MOT I was told by the man that all motorhomes come under a type 4 MOT
     
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    agreed john but Neils question was what class will it need testing as BEFORE the conversion......HGV class VII in my opinion.
     
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    Hi Neil and others
    Unfortunatly Neil is talking next year and at the moment as im sure some of you may know,but others wont
    Vosa and the Dept for Transport are right in the middle of a major shake up of re classifcation of HGV and PHGV vehicles:RollEyes:
    I will speak to the powers that be tomorrow to see what impact any changes
    may or are likely to have on this type of project
    Watch this space

    Some may wonder what these changes are
    I belive they think we have got too clever in interpreting the current rules.
    there plan is to make it so no one has the correct licence to drive anything, thereby enhancing the revenue to make up for the speed camera short fall
    Cynical or what??
    you betcha
    Geo
     
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    Hi again Neil
    Following my conversation with VOSA today
    they inform me that regardless of it purpose eventually, ie motorhome Class4
    It will upon entyry to the UK reguire a full Vosa HGV test as it is/will be over 3500kg when registered, the PHGV designation does not alter that fact
    Geo
     
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    is the PHGV just the road tax issue?


    When my 4,899 kgs Winnibago was first registered the road tax was PLGV then they sent me a new road tax disc asking for the other one back and it was issued as PHGV (cheaper road tax as it happens)..

    Mine is a Class IV for test purposes as clearly shown on the VT20 Mot test Certificate issued by VOSA - they issued it when the vehicle was registered - previously MOT'd on the chassis number when imported. When the registration was done the new document came back with the registration document and shows it is Class IV the registration document says Private HGV

    Bob:Eeek:
     
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    Thanks Geo and everyone who has helped.

    It wasn't quite the answer i would have preferred but at least I now know wher we stand and what need to be done ..
     
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    You are quite right Bob and so will Neils, WHEN its converted to a motor home
    But untill it is:Doh: its a proper HGV mot, even though it will be first,registered as a private HGV, there is no concession on test class.

    Untill its a Motorhome its a lorry:RollEyes:

    Class 4 -as you know is any Motorhome regardless of weight
    Class 7- goods vehicleis and some "Living Vans"only up to 3500KG
    Over 3500means a HGV MoT, Unless its a motorhome (Class 4)
    Geo
     
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    useful info


    Useful info.. make it easier to understand when it is explained this way.

    Bob:thumb:
     
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    As I said earlier VOSA and the Transport dept are looking into doing away with a lot of the exemtpions in place at the moment, such as Recovery MOT exempt vehicles, Showmans type MOT exempt vehicles etc etc
    the reasoning behind the changes is to do with EU regulations and what they term as fairness for all After all a showmans vehicle or recovery vehicle is still used on the public roads,why should tey be exempt from testing, they should be maintained to the same standard anyway:Wink: so its just a test they need:RollEyes:
    VOSA have it on record that some 40,000 vehicles are now running around with MOT exemption certificates:Eeek:
    Along with these changes will be some re classifications, they may even make Heavy Motorhomes HGV testable:cry::cry::cry:
    So the answer is only good for a while:Doh:
    Personaly I think a VOSA test is easierto get through than your average MOT stations test, they are mor confident than your average tester and are happy to pass and advise on more:thumb:
    The down side is, long booking in times/apointments and much higher fees
    Although I think,thanks to some relaxations some private "Designated Places" other than Vosa premisses can be used, Im not fully up on HGV testing regs as I dont use them on a day to day basis:Sad:
    Geo
     
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    mine was tested at a Merc garage for HGV's


    I had my RV tested at a Mercedes Benz garage in Eastbourne and I lined up with tippers, horse boxes and even a fire engine. Took 45 minutes and I had to book in a week or so before and got a set time to be there. They knew there eggs on a yank right down to the type of foot/handbrake unit and even checked that before I was on the pit. About the same price as my car mot.

    The garage that does my general work runs a fleet of wreckers on the A21 and have 9 American big rigs - they tell me none have MOT's and all told they have a lot of other breakdown trucks as well. So I can see the point of needing tests for them, but to be honest this company - Mick Goulds - is also a Renault truck dealer and he babies those trucks and he has a Winnebago himself and is a American car fan..hence my RV is worked on by his people.. he recommended the MOT place in Eastbourne as all the trucks that have to be tested go there from his place... Plus I had a pre MOT the day before (cost more than the actual MOT.. but better to be safe than sorry - I needed a track rod packed out with greese while a new one was shipped in - now long fitted).

    But I hear what you say about changes on the way.

    Bob:thumb:
     
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    any reputable independant breakdown company will maintain their fleet to the point of obsession.

    the garage i worked for had , apart from daily tyre and fluid checks, a weekly inspection check on all vehicles...spec lift, slidebed and flatbeds...followed by a 4 weekly in depth visual check and an 8 weekly major full service (except oil and filters)and, for piece of mind, ALL were MOT'd at the local ministry/vosa site even through exempt.

    those trucks had more service history than any other vehicle i've ever seen but when your business relies on them its not a problem.
     
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