Parking ticket in York

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  1. electricscott

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    Here is one for the lawyers. We parked overnight in st George's field that allows overnight parking and received a fine for unsuitable vehicle :cry:. Circumstances leading to this misdemeanour allows me to throw our selves on the mercy of the council. However the penalty notice issued has the wrong registration (it is one digit out) although the photographic evidence shows the correct registration. The question is how do they stand legally since they issued the fine to the wrong vehicle? Also should still throw my self upon their mercy or ignore the ticket?
     
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    Was a list of 'suitable' vehicles displayed???
     
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    It was but not at the entrance and you are allowed to pay by phone
     
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    If it's an official York council penalty notice then DONT ignore it.....they WILL chase it up and the penalty increases with time.

    if there wasn't a 'suitable vehicle' notice at the entrance (for sure) then take photographic evidence of the entrance and surrounding area and contest the penalty on those grounds
     
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    Don't take this as legal advice but some years agomI received a parking ticket for overstaying the time limit. The warden was correct with the time but the registration number was slightly incorrect, just like yours. Disputed it and the fine was withdrawn - worth a try because the ticket does not refer to YOUR vehicle - does it?:BigGrin:

    Mike
     
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    ... or ... move to a country where such ridiculous restrictions don't exist. :Wink:
     
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    contrary to my previous post re: contest the penalty.....this info may have sealed your fate :cry:.

    York motorhome parking.
     
  8. GJH

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    Given that you received the PCN then it would appear that they have issued the fine to the correct vehicle, notwithstanding the typo.

    As John said, they WILL chase it up and the penalty increases with time. Given the value of the your time that will waste it will probably be cheaper to pay up.

    As a general rule, it is important to remember that "overnight parking" and "overnight habitation/camping" are two entirely different things.
     
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    Contest the fine, you made all possible checks to ensure it was safe and okay to park, you made every effort to enquire as to the suitability of parking your vehicle otherwise you would have moved off. you had not caused an obstruction or inconvenience other users. contact council and ask procedure to contest by post, write up and send off ASAP
    then post on here your good news.
     
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    If you decide to contest the ticket then teh fine does not increase whilst the investigation goes on. I would be looking at 2 forms of contest, the first being the vehicle named on the ticket is not owned by me and the second being that insufficient signage was in an obvious place to be seen and take photographic evidence. (Someone on here must be from York and can take a photo for you)
    The other point I dont quite understand is what was "unsuitable" about your vehicle? what is it the sign that isnt plainly visible say? Does it say no motorhomes? If it doesnt then remember that your VEL says PLG for private light goods (Unless you own a monster)
    Personally I think you have every chance of getting off that ticket for the wrong registration number. I might be tempted to just ignore it (I do fully understand the ticketing system) and ask for a court hearing and this should take over 6 months then tell them abot the registration number and it will be beyond the statute of limitations.
     
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    May as well contest it.

    I always do and have always had the fine reimbursed.

    Half the time they can't be ar$ed to argue.

    Good luck.
     
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    Thank you all for your comments, I have thrown myself at the mercy of the council. I will let you know the outcome.
     
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    I used to overnight all the time in St Georges Field - it's on the opposite side to the river to the Cavarvan Club site and I think they weren't happy about it. It must have found its way onto an Italian POI file as there were always Italian vans there with us.

    However, according to the signage (which I must add is very clear and above every ticket machine) motorhomes aren't allowed to even park there during the day (although there is usually at least 2 5.5m PVC's in there most days)

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    It's a fair cop, guv, come quietly.:cry:
     
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    It almost needs a sign making up in several foreign languages and placing above the council one saying welcome to York, unless your in a campervan and day visiting. Go to another town and spend your money there. We do not want you here.

    I wonder how long it would be before someone noticed?
     
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    Not at all. Like many of our older towns & cities, York can become very congested at any time of day. Indeed, the central "tourist" area is largely traffic free during the day.

    York has excellent Park & Ride sites, which welcome motorhomes, with excellent buses serving them which are far cheaper to use than parking in city centre car parks. It makes perfect sense to try to keep larger vehicles out of congested town and city centres like York.
     
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    I agree with you in principal Graham, and would be 100% with you if my perception was not, largely due to the wording of the sign, that it is only motorhomes they want to keep out.

    Why not ban all parking and have everyone park and ride? Even tourist buses could drop off, go and park up outside, and come back later.

    I think that in order to stop overnight camping, they have banned all motorhome use. That saves them employing enforcement staff at night, reducing costs, and therefore making having a motorhome the issue in my eyes, not keeping the town clear of all large vehicles which would really aid road safety.
     
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    St George's Field car park is meant for cars - which are much more manoeuvrable than motorhomes - and coaches which need to park fairly close to the centre because drivers have restrictions on their working hours and (typically) many passengers are less able to walk distances than the rest of them.

    What is wrong with stopping overnight camping where it could cause a problem? St George's Field is close to the city centre and, thus, popular with people wanting to park early in the day who might be prevented from doing so by overnighting motorhomes whose owners do not wish to move off so early.

    As regards not employing enforcement staff at night, the OP actually describes parking overnight so, obviously, enforcement is in place.

    I am all for providing places for motorhomes to park and supporting people parking legally but we have too appreciate that we are a minority who have to fit in with the rest of the population and, as such, have to accept that places will be restricted.
     
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    I love advice like this

    Being a lawyer that has earned his crust and still does from time to time on parking issues I would advise you to check your advice you give before you give it first. It can be construed as 'an officious bystander' - legal term...

    A) do the council enforce by the criminal court or the civil court. 99% enforce by civil action and then this is treated as a debt and has a 6 year life not 6 months.

    B) if it is a criminal enforcement and goes in to the magistrates court police issue a summons and that has a 6 months life.

    I have seen council car parking issues in both courts. In the magistrates court I saw a van parked in a car parking space go from a fixed penalty to an arrest warrant ... failed to turn up in court. the fine had reached £750 by the time a bench warrant had been issued (Tonbridge Mags Court)

    Unless you are 100% sure it is a private company (car park) then do not ignore it....

    Looking at some of the posts that show clearly no over night parking for motor homes I feel you are fighting a lost cause.... The typo is unlikly to save your bacon if they have a photo.

    Bob
     
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    Hope you don't mind me butting in Bob but could you please explain what this means. Does it say that after 6 years the debt is cleared from the record. Or not.
     
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