Oradour Sur Glane

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  1. Kool Kroozer

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    This is one place I have been really looking forward to visiting as i guess many of you hardcore MHs have already, and as my ol fella served in WW2 but fighting the Japanese in Burma he would never talk about what he did or saw and just wouldnt open up about anything to do with it, and as i love the history of the past i have visited the many war cemeteries in France and even get a bit emotional about it...especially the big American one at Omaha. ..well we arrived at Oradour late lastnight after a constant trek via France and stayed on the aire at the back of the sports stadium, got up nice an early for the 3 minute drive to the free car park outside the what was left of the village.
    Waiting for swmbo to get ready so I wandered over to the gates and took a few pics of what I could see of the village, i had a strange feeling come over me as I stood there looking at the ruins, a French woman came by and started to cry and her husband comforted her, i gave a slight smile and walked back to the van, we set off to the entry of the village where you walk down some steps into a kind of reception area where they had on display German war memorabilia of what happened along with a big flat screen tv showing what had happened on the day, German soldiers rounding everyone up and it looked like they were all kneeling down...at this point I just lost it, i had to turn around and walk out, it just seemed so wrong that all these people were murdered and its being glorified by a museum ..does or has anyone else get upset about this kind of thing ? I considered going back as i had drove for hours to get there but wasn't expecting it to be as graphic especially with all the German swatstickers and flags plastered all over the reception... a pretty sad state of affairs and a sad day ..for me.
     
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    Maybe not glorifies it but its just how it made me feel.
     
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    The older I've got, the more emotional I've become.

    As a result I've made a conscious decision not to visit Oradour. I do however visit at least one Commonwealth War Grave on each visit to France, and will continue to do so until I am no longer able.
     
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    I never looked forward to visiting.. it's not that kind of a place.. I thought of it as a duty..

    but felt I had to pay my respects to the people who died there.. to remember them.

    I don't want to visit a Nazi death camp.. but feel I should.. and probably will... but will visit at the end of a trip.. not at the start, for I know it will upset me.. just as Oradour did.. :(

    My 'upset' can never be compared to the 'upset' these people faced ..
     
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    We are on are first trip to France and Spain since finishing work and hope to pay are respects on way home in oct.
     
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    Sounds like you did not have a walk round the village? You really must ......a fitting tribute to the people that were murdered there. Very sad but a must just to pay your respects.Not sure about the museum been twice but do not remember it?
     
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    A very moving place,
    Mans inhumanity to man never ceases to amaze me!
     
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    Seconded ,forget the film show .and walk around the old village ,still a bit "staged" but paints the picture of how it was .
     
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    Totally agree Ken.

    But for me somewhere everyone should visit.

    I found it a massively moving experience.
     
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    Last year at our motorhome AGM we had a talk from one of the two survivors left. He and a friend managed to escape from the garage after the soldiers left as they played dead but were only shot in the leg. Was moving to meet someone who actually was there
     
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    we went a couple of years ago, did the walk through 'museum' bit, then went out into the village on a grey mizzly day, there was something not right, we only just got under the road and turned back

    a very sad place, made so much worse by it being a mistake as well :(

    I do think it needs to be there though
     
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    we went there in may, its a moving place, but it shows the german feel towards the people.

    but saying that, you must go to see the way the germans thought
     
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    I don't see it as a German thing - it was a nazi political party thing.
     
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    And who were the Nazi political party GERMANS
     
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    The American cemetery at Omaha beach is incredibly moving :cry:
     
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    We went 2 years ago and like you I felt something odd. Being Ex Military I felt it was my duty to see/walk round, but I really struggled walking round and could not get my head round why would humans do this to each other. A very sad day, which I can still recall, but very glad I did do it. I have gone to other places in Germany whilst serving and was moved by them, but not to the extent this place made me feel. Perhaps as I'm getting other my emotions show more. Please if you can visit it, if not for anything else other than respect for those that lived there once.
     
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    History is often brutal, I want to see what happened to try and understand but sometimes there is no explaination

    Unfortunately what the SS did there was a matter of routine when they invaded Russia where many hundreds of small villages and hamlets were raised to the ground along with their inhabitants
     
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    No..

    but the Nazi party were voted into power.. and they could not have committed the atrocities or conducted ethnic cleaning on an industrial scale without the knowledge and consent of millions of ordinary Germans..

    Party Votes % Seats +/–
    National Socialist German Workers Party
    votes: 17,277,180
    percentage: 43.91
    seats: 288 +92

    German federal election, March 1933
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933
     
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