Oradour-sur-Glane...

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  1. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

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    We visited Oradour-sur-Glane this week ... a very sad and moving place ..

    If you haven't been, put it on a 'must do' list..

    There has never been an explanation given why it was done ..

    RIP the 642 men, women and children.. slaughtered by the Nazi's on the 10th June 1944.

    One picture says more than a 1,000 words

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    Yes, no matter how many words you read about the place or pictures you see. Actually visiting is a bit of a shock. Well it was to us, we were very moved.
     
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    Likewise we were shocked and moved by it all. So sad what humans can do to each other. A must visit.
     
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    It was mistaken by the Nazis for nearby Oradour sur Vayres which was a French resistance village and was giving them a lot of trouble. Read the whole shocking story on Wikipedia...
     
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    we went 2 years ago, did the museum tour so pretty much knew what we were in for, but literally couldn't do the walk round the old town, can't really put our finger on why, but a desperately sad situation to have been in
     
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    A very thought provoking place, was on our must visit list in last year's French meander.

    Am I right in thinking/remembering that some of the participants in the slaughter were actually French conscripts into the German (Vichy?) forces, who then largely escaped subsequent prosecution in the spirit of "reconciliation" (or similar)? Surely they must found it very, very, difficult living with themselves?
     
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    Mans inhumanity to man. I was in the forces but could never obey that kind of order!
     
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    Went last year. Very moving. And so quiet. Not even birds singing.
     
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    When we visited we both found it very moving and definitely a must visit.

    If I remember right no one has ever been held to account over this crime.
     
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    I think the Nazi commander responsible for the hideous decision was court martialled, but killed in action before the court could sit in judgement.
     
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    We visited about 4 years ago and found it very moving and humbling, I don't know if it was just my mind playing tricks but I'm 100% certain I could smell burning all the way round.

    On another note we visited the twin towers last year in New York and like above I doubt you could go round without a tear in your eye.
     
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    Kill or be killed??
     
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    Visiting was on my 'to do' list and we went last summer. I had seen the pictures but they couldn't show the scale of the destruction. Actually walking down street upon street of ruins was horrific. The underground museum where all the watches had stopped at 4.20 was so eerie.
     
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    We went last year. Wife thought she could smell burning and also remarked on lack of bird noise.
    The thing that got to her was the glass coffin with a child's hand.
    Did anyone else notice that most had a sewing machine?
     
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    yes.. but not unusual ..

    up until the 70s most households would have one.. much as nowadays most of us have a microwave oven..
    Wooden cases and or sewing tables destroyed in the fires....

    lack of bird noise.. smell of fire... all in the imagination...

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    We were there two weeks ago, what a sad, sad place.
    The destruction was complete, as has been said "I was just obeying orders" yeh, right.
    They shot the men in the legs to stop them running away then piled flammable stuff on top of them and set fire to it.
    The women in the church were burned to death and any trying to escape were machine gunned, the youngest child was eight days old.
    Obeying those orders was inhuman.
     
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    Such a soul searching place, the ironic thing is no one has learned a thing and it is happening all over the world right now
     
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    We went 2 years ago and found it both moving and emotive. The scale of the devastation to one tiny village was un fathomable
    . We stayed on the aire just out side the new village and had the worst hail rain wind storm we had ever encountered a very eerie place .
    All the visitors respected the site .
    We saw a German couple( passports were the clue )who spoke English when ordering the audio machines , perhaps they were worried that someone may have said something, they too were paying their respects for actions done by forefathers.
    We were pleased we had visited but made us very quiet for a day to two.
     
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    Agree with everything said. A very thoughtful and sobering place to visit.

    I wouldn't go again but I'm glad I've been.
     
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