NYCC Motorhome Ban Consultation halted

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  1. John & Joan

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    Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:40 PM
    Subject: Response to Complaints re Motor Caravans TRO
    Dear Mr Strangeway
    I refer to the complaint made by you and the National Motorhome Organisation (NMO) on 9 July 2014 regarding your alleged failure by NYCC to produce a definitive statement of reasons to accompany the consultation for the proposed Traffic Regulation Order to prevent Motor Caravans from parking overnight. Your view was that this had prevented the NMO and yourself personally from submitting a response as part of the consultation process and thereby denying both yourself and the NMO a legal right to respond to the issues consulted upon.
    Having reviewed the consultation process to date, the County Council have taken the decision to re-consult on the proposed Order, which will involve taking the following steps:-
    • Carrying out an Equality Impact Assessment (EIA), which will detail the purpose of the consultation and how the Council’s Public Sector Equality Duty under the Equality Act 2010 will be discharged; The EIA will address the proposed mitigation against any potential impacts considered.
    • Providing further clarification surrounding the proposals, their purpose, and possible impacts of the proposals (via a Statement of Reasons).
    • Advertising the proposed Order in the “Motorcaravan Motorhome Monthly”.
    The County Council will notify you when the consultation commences. I hope that this will serve to address both of the issues you raise and also update you on the current position with regard to the proposed Order.
    The current temporary restrictions will remain in force, pending the determination of the proposed Permanent Order.
    Yours sincerely
    Richard Pennell
    Legal Officer – Environment
     
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    Thank you John.

    Raises questions though. What is "the National Motorhome Organisation (NMO)"? How many members does it have? Does it have a constitution? Is it actually representative of the approx 174,000 motorhome owners in the UK or just somebody puffing themselves up to try to look important?
     
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    Regardless of the bona fides of the NMO, it has to be said that there are very few instances where Local Authorities have been put into a position where they have to backtrack on their procedures to the point that they start all over again AND publish their proposed order in MMM.
    Well done, I say.
     
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  4. GJH

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    Re-consulting isn't all that common but this is by no means the first time it has happened. It is the norm to publish in a relevant newspaper/magazine.
     
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    Re:NMO. bet you can't guess which non Motorhomer started it
     
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    The 'National Motorhome Organisation' is the creation of Andy Oddball himself and was brought into existance on 14th april 2014.
    Probably nothing more than a chariot to air his personal views with a 'club' to back it up.

    It has no official or documented membership and probably no official clout other than to contain a DONATE link in the website.

    Membership as such is granted free of charge and the only stipulation is you need to agree with the knobheads views then you can call yourself a member.

    I will never agree with his 'I'm right, your all wrong' attitude
     
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    But apart from that John, you like the bloke ::bigsmile:
     
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    I am not going to comment......:rofl::rofl:
     
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    Go on, you know you want to.

    Thanks for the explanation phase3begins and John. I thought it might be something like that :)
     
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    I REALLY WANTED to.....But, it's cold outside *FUN*:cry:
     
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    I Cant understand wether this guy is as papa john an oddball he seems to have made the local council to re think and that cant be a bad thing i am against the banning of motorhome parking over night if you ban one vehicle you should ban all types of vehicle
     
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    I don't think he has made them "re-think". As I said on the duplicate thread, NYCC seem to be getting sick of his constant mis-representation and confrontational attitude so they are going out of their way to ensure that there will be no grounds for challenging the final outcome of the review.
     
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    sorry papajohn i am not refering you as an oddball i miss typed in my previos post i meant to say as papajohn said an oddball please accept my apoligy`s
     
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    You upset me now....nobody ever called me an oddball before....... :crying:

    I knew what you meant, no offence taken and no apology needed. :BigGrin:
     
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    Does it matter what NYCC do.:wink:

    I'm never going to get my motor home to New York, there isn't even an overnight ferry from UK...

    :whistle2:
     
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    Maybe just maybe this guy might get somewhere, only time will tell
    What I don't really get is why as fellow M/Hs nearly everyone so far seems to be dead against him when in fact he is fighting our corner by making councils give M/H the same rights as all other means of transport which use public car parks (the main word being public paid for with mine and your taxes) even if his action are a little unorthodox does it matter if he gets results and councils listen to our concerns
    Just to be clear I don't use car parks I always stay on CL/ CC sites so not really bothered either way but there are a few funsters who do use these facilities and respect the rules when doing so why should they be penalised
     
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    I`m not a carpark overnighter normally, but what gets me is the barriers everywhere you go and, the jobsworth attendants who seem to go out of their way to make you unwelcome
     
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    Partly because he is not a fellow motorhome owner. He doesn't own a motorhome. Also because he publishes mis-representative and misleading information and his confrontational methods are destructive rather than constructive.
     
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    There are all sorts of good reasons for height barriers, few of them anything to do with motorhomes. As for the activities of parking attendants, you must go to the wrong places :). I've yet to meet one who made me feel unwelcome but I've met plenty who have been helpful :)
     
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    Hi Graham.
    In this day and age any car with reclining seats can be a vehicle equipped for sleeping. This is the jargon now being trotted out by council to ban motorhomes even those that fit under a 2m barrier and fit a standard bay from using council car parks, Not just overnight but also during the day.

    Cornwall used it. In the borough of Tameside large vehicles such as motor homes and caravans are not permitted to park in council car park at any time.

    We have just intervened in Aberdeen where the council were trying to push a by-law through that would have made it a CRIMINAL OFFENCE to drive in a motorhome or campervan to or through parts of the city between 6pm and 6am. Again they used the wording any vehicle equipped for sleeping. The original draft submitted to the Scottish Government was to ban the setting up of caravans and tents between 10pm and 6am. However the final version included motorhomes and campervans, the clause about driving was added and times altered. Although I applied for information about this in April, June and 2nd July I only received confirmation of the intent to get this by-law approved 2 days before the closure of representation on 24th July to the Scottish Government. It took a further 3 email to get a copy of the wording.

    York City Council use the same wording for their car parks. Quote:
    "The City of York Council do have a policy not to allow any vehicles that are designed to have a sleeping capacity in our city centre car parks. The majority of our car parks are located close to residential areas and in the past we have received complaints of excessive noise, users sleeping overnight and waste left in the car parks.
    The decision was therefore taken to not allow all variants of Motorhomes in the city centre car parks, and although I understand certain models may fit within a standard car parking bay, in the majority of cases this policy also fits with the Council’s strategy to discourage larger vehicles and none essential journeys into the city centre." End Quote

    We submitted a formal reply to the NYCC consultation but this appears to have been topped by Andy's complaint.

    I know you are aware of these issues but other may not.

    John. The Motorhome Tourism Organisation (including The Motorhome Association whose members worked to get the Aires in Ireland))
     
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