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[DuxDeluxe]

Sorry mate, I thought you mentioned 'facts'?

Yes indeed I did, but you have gone slightly out of context.....

My quote:
I think that the difference is between stating facts (xyz group trashed abc carpark by leaving rubbish after they camped illegally there) and broad sweeping statements (shoot the lot of the thieving swine). The second statement is not acceptable and it is this sort of thing that we all must steer clear of. The internet is a very public place - there is a difference between "closed" and "confidential"

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Just saying that we must be careful to quote facts.

The second mention of facts

Well, it was written in a newspaper with a decent reputation for finding good verifiable stories, not least of which was the parliamentary expenses scandal. If it is good enough to pass their libel lawyers then it is good enough for me. It has also been reported in the Guardian, Independent, ITV news and Sky news. I would call the report of the investigation fact not supposition as it is in writing clear for all to see in print

Here I am saying that the existence of the report was fact not necessarily the report itself, which in any case had presumably been passed by the legal staff.

 

[sdc77]

I just wonder how many people actually give a %@# about that story tbh?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I just wonder how many people actually give a %@# about that story tbh?

My interest was in sticking to facts when writing anything on the Internet, rather than the alleged transgressions themselves. It was to illustrate that the Internet is a very public place

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[iandsm]

I don't know about anyone else, but what waste of time this thread is. Someone posts a story that is in the newspapers and the public domain, to what point? to inform us all, why, we can read newspapers for ourselves. This is followed by post after post of argument that gets nowhere and then starts going off topic, the original being alleged private racist comments but now becoming another rant about travellers.

This certainly isn't "fun" for me, I think my best policy is to avoid reading "Lounge" topics altogether.

 

[iandsm]

• SUNDAY 19 JULY 2015 (the independant)

• SUNDAY 19 JULY 2015
• The Metropolitan Police is examining allegations that serving officers used a closed group on the social network to post racist comments about Gypsies and Travellers. Both groups are officially recognised as ethnic minorities, and discriminating against them is illegal.

And you point is?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I don't know about anyone else, but what waste of time this thread is. Someone posts a story that is in the newspapers and the public domain, to what point? to inform us all, why, we can read newspapers for ourselves. This is followed by post after post of argument that gets nowhere and then starts going off topic, the original being alleged private racist comments but now becoming another rant about travellers.

This certainly isn't "fun" for me, I think my best policy is to avoid reading "Lounge" topics altogether.

I tried to keep to the point of sticking to facts when writing things on the Internet - whatever the subject

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[DBK]

Don't you lot have some grass to cut or anything else to do? Of if really stuck, come here and look at a pair of cupboard doors which were painted this morning. The paint is still drying in that riveting way paint does.

 

[Abacist]

A group moved onto some grass locally. Next thing a local 16 year old has been beaten up by 2 adult travellers such that he is now in hospital. Police are deciding if they can press charges so the travellers have promptly cleared off! Maybe there are some that give them a bad name just like there are motorhomers who discredit the rest of us. For the parasites, thieves and lawbreakers amongst them they deserve to suffer the full extent of the law!

And another thing, whenever the fair comes to town, all the local businesses near the fair site have their milk stolen from their doorsteps even though there is a Tesco just across the road from them! More bloody thieves and they expect equal treatment to law abiding citizens!

You break the law and infringe the human rights of those you hurt or steal from then you should forfeit your own human rights to the same degree!

 

[Sue]

A group moved onto some grass locally. Next thing a local 16 year old has been beaten up by 2 adult travellers such that he is now in hospital. Police are deciding if they can press charges so the travellers have promptly cleared off! Maybe there are some that give them a bad name just like there are motorhomers who discredit the rest of us. For the parasites, thieves and lawbreakers amongst them they deserve to suffer the full extent of the law!

And another thing, whenever the fair comes to town, all the local businesses near the fair site have their milk stolen from their doorsteps even though there is a Tesco just across the road from them! More bloody thieves and they expect equal treatment to law abiding citizens!

You break the law and infringe the human rights of those you hurt or steal from then you should forfeit your own human rights to the same degree!

What I struggle with is that as an identified minority group, they have rights that the majority don't....to have designated areas available for them, as an example....with no,rates, no charges. (I will be happy to stand corrected if I am talking out of my hat, but is what I have been told)

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[pappajohn]

It makes me wonder that if travellers and gypsies have rights as a recognised ehnic group, that scarbourough council are not infringing human rights and persecuting a recognised group ie us "travellers", with there no overnight parking rules.
Just a thought
Andy.

The Itinerants in scarborough dont park in the same type of places covered by the no overnight rules.
they pitch up on wide grass verges, community greens, waste land etc and the council know its takes too long to get "eviction" notices so dont bother.
just a week ago a large group of Itinerants pitched up on Ganton golf courses 17th fairway.....and the club was powerless in the short term to do anything about them.
could take a week or two to get a "move on" order in which time they would be gone anyway.

During the seamer fair, granted by royal order, the council provide a campsite with waste skips, water etc for £5 per unit per night....most wont pay the fiver and prefer verges

 

[Tootles]

just a week ago a large group of Itinerants pitched up on Ganton golf courses 17th fairway.....and the club was powerless in the short term

Easy. Just turn the 17th into a temporary driving range. They would soon bu**er off!.

 

[sdc77]

We have the luxury of living adjacent to land owned by the corporation of London. They have a very refreshing approach to "travellers" who don't realise where they are.
1 hour or the jcb diggers move in to drag them off.
Compared to the local council COL powers are awesome and fun to watch

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