Nissan Navara + sliding hitch

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  1. zaskar

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    Hopefully, wifey an I are going to buy a Nissan Navara Double cab and an imported 5ver called a KountryLite, made by Allen Camper co.

    I've been told that with the standard supply fixed Reese hitch, full 90 degree turns will be impossible due to the short bed and as we prefer to use CL's which can be very small and tight, this worries me.

    Does anybody tow a 5ver with a Nissan Navara fitted with a Pullrite Superglide or one of the sidewinder hitches?

    Thanks.
     
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    Hi Zaskar

    I also gave this matter very careful thought for the reasons you mention, tight turns on CL sites.
    I had a good look at both the sidewinder and pull rite hitches. I think, and this is only my opinion, that they are probably the best of the 'slider' hitch variety.
    Ultimately I guess it comes down to personal choice, I was finally convinced by some friends of ours who tow a large caravan and pointed out that they have never in all their 30+ years of towing have ever had occasion to have a trailer at 90 Degrees+ whilst manoeuvering.

    I ended up going for a standard hitch, ..................after all I can always upgrade.

    Rob
     
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    Before you commit to a Nissan have you looked on here about Nivaras as a tow vehicle for USA 5ers??

    Also check out reviews on the Nivara on the web.........its interesting reading and could sway your decision

    Nuff said :thumb:
     
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    Hi Zaskar

    Speaking from experience (Navara D40 D/C Extreme Lite 5th wheel) unless you have set your heart on a double cab, give some thought to a king cab with 14" longer bed.
    Even with a 14" SuperGlide hitch on the double cab it is all too easy to touch the back of the cab when manoeuvering in tight spaces.

    The 5th Wheel Co use a longer slide, but I believe they uprate the suspension and replate the Navara to allow for the heavier hitch and the pin weight of the 5th wheel.

    Brian
     
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    Having test driven a Navara/KountryLite 26RK set up,I can tell you that the Navara IS competent enough to do the job for those of us who aren't interested in
     
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    Hmmmmm, know what you mean about the double cab, it would make a lot more sense to go single but unfortunately, the car will also be used as regular solo transport for 4 so double is really a must, besides, SWMBO insists!:Wink:
    Very surprised what you say about "touching", even with a Superglide. Didn't think it was possible?
    I hadn't realised that the Superglide came in different lengths? From what I've seen on the net and what I saw fitted by 5th wheel co at the factory, there is only one size (length) of Superglide, the only thing that changes is the weight rating which I would guess is achieved by heavier construction/ thicker guages of material?
    Your right, 5th wheel DO upgrade the Nissans rear suspension with supplementary air, as do Calder from whom I want to buy a KountryLite.
     
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    .......and can i ask how long you've been running like this? Have you encountered any problems and do you think you've been running this set up long enough to be able to say whether or not it was the right decision?
    Thanks:thumb:
     
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    Just to say first of all, our auto D40 was up to towing the Xtreme-Lite, including areas we visited in the Highlands of Scotland.

    With the shorter SuperGlide hitch we had, the front quarter of the 5th wheel could touch the rear quarter of the cab, getting on a very tight pitch.

    There are several models of the SuperGlide hitch ranging from a 14"slide to a 22.75"

    The Kountry-Lite looks to be a nice unit.
     
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    Thanks for the info mate, much appreciated.:thumb:
    You couldn't post a link to where you've found the different sizes could you please?
    Either I'm being a thicko, or when I look on PullRites site, I can only find different strenghts, not different lengths.

    Ta:BigGrin:
     
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    Hi zaskar - old-mo has found a good link.

    Guessing you are well aware of the RV accessories catalogue - all the hitches are listed in here. Maybe your dealer could order the right one in for you .

    Best of luck :thumb:

    Brian
     
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    Hi Zaskar

    I think that I did make the right decision, I would urge you to check this out very carefully with the Navara as the length of the bed is of utmost importance.
    I am running a Ford F250 Diesel:thumb: with a 6ft 7 ins bed so it is not really fair to compare this with a Navara.:Eeek::Eeek: I went the American route for a whole raft of reasons which do not really need to be explored on your thread here.
    Also be aware that when the slide and subsequently the Kingpin goes behind the axle, i.e. towards the rear of the truck, you will find the suspension loading increases considerably, this can lead to challenges in respect of traction if in 4 wheel drive mode as well as the steering goes 'light'.
    If you want more details, (my measurement criteria and testing etc etc) in respect of my research then pm me and I will respond.

    Rob
     
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    Hello all,
    I too am looking to buy either a Calder or Niche 5th this year. I have been researching sliders and sidewinders, and at the moment have been swayed towards the sidewinder. The main reason being that you can turn the pin box to quite acute angles, and still hitch and unhitch. This I feel for tight pitches or cls, would be extremely important (the longest sidewinder is 22 inches).

    I'm now on my second landrover defender 130 double cab, which I use for work tugging large trailers, I also carry my Nortstar demountable on it, and will be pulling the 5th. My point is that i am surprised that no one seems to go for landrovers as an option for a 5th. The 130 is plated to pull 3400kg, and will carry a max of 1500kg in the pick up tub at the same time (without any air suspension), it does live upto the plating as I regularly approach max loads for work towing.

    By the way both calder and niche have new 'euro' 5ths on their websites, if anyone is interested.
     
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    You could get a longer hitch (I think it's called a pin box) fitted to the 5er, this would make the o/all length more but does help clearance at the cab, and I think it would work well with a slider hitch on a short bed.
    Tonka130--Our son has a 130 double cab fitted with the 2.8 TGV engine, it does indeed carry and pull VERY well!!!!!
    Nigel & Pamala
     
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    5th wheel weights

    Hi,
    Newbie
    You guys seem to know what you are talking wrt 5th wheelers.
    I have already bought a Nissan Navara Auto and intend buying the same 5th Wheel as
    mentioned in the first thread. Been looking 2 years now so just about ready to sign cheque!
    I was talking to the DVLA about trailer weights and they (she) said if the trailer/5th wheel is heavier than the tow vechile then the rig is ilegal on UK roads. I've also heard and read the stuff on the DVLA site but it is very confusing as the concept of a 5er is not mentioned unless it is used to transport carnivals!
    So question is what is the maximum weights for a 5th wheel i.e. axle plus pin weight.
    The unit I am looking at atm is approx. 3 tons with a pin weight of approx 500 kgs. The Nisson will be replated to that use but what is my personal payload, 500 kgs?
    Also where do I get the official information from.
    Regards
    Jack
     
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    hi jack,

    'she' is confusing a conventional trailer with an 'articulated' trailer.

    a normal, fully loaded, drawbar trailer must never be heavier than the tow vehicle or it is illegal.

    this law doesnt apply to 5'rs....if it did then every HGV artic would be breaking the law.
    the tractor unit might weigh 10t but the load could be 30t or more.

    the only thing you must never do is exceed the train weight of the vehicle.

    completely different set of rules

    john.
     
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    5th wheel weights

    John,
    Thanks for reply.
    But! Can you point to where, on the DVLA site (or anywhere FTM) the rules for 5th W's are explained. See below:-
    "Category B (car) entitlement
    You can drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM, together with a trailer not exceeding 750 kilograms. To tow a heavier trailer you will need category B+E entitlement.
    Category C1 entitlement
    You can drive vehicles over 3.5 tonnes MAM but less than 7.5 tonnes (with or without a trailer up to 750 kilograms). To tow a heavier trailer you will need category C1+E entitlement.
    If you passed the category C1+E test:
    · before 1 January 1997 (shown as C1+E (107) on the licence) you are limited to driving such combinations up to a combined weight of 8.25 tonnes eg motorhome 6 tonnes, trailer 2.25 tonnes
    · after 1 January 1997 you are entitled to drive combinations up to 12 tonnes in weight where the MAM of the trailer exceeds 750 kilograms but does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle
    Category C entitlement
    You can drive vehicles over 7.5 tonnes MAM. To draw a trailer over 750 kilograms you will need category C+E entitlement. Motorhomes of this weight cannot be driven on a standard category B (car) licence, irrespective of when that category B entitlement was obtained."

    C1+E is not exactly explicit but the statement "where the MAM of the trailer exceeds 750 kilograms but does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle" can refer to pre 1997 licence as well as post 1997 licence. This is motorhomes, cat B etc car licences are more restictive and still mention that statement.
    BTW I'm about (want) to buy such a rig and I know many people are driving such rigs but I would like something legal in my hand when an official stops me and weighs the units.
    Regards,
    Jack
     
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    I agree that getting something official would be nice, I fear that you are on something of a fruitless quest.:Doh:
    There are two things to take into consideration as far as I can see.
    1. What is the maximum train weight that I am licensed to drive.
    2. Is there legislation that affects me which is dependent on the weight of either the towed or tow vehicle.

    I have attached a link to the NTTA, NTTA - Trailer Law - Trailer Maximum Dimensions

    This will also, hopefully, clarify the other area to consider, namely the widths and lengths.

    I would suggest that you do the background reading, reach your own conclusions with regard to what you can and cannot do and then act as you see fit.
    It is after all your licence, your pick up, your trailer etc etc, there are plenty of armchair experts who will tell you what you can and cannot do, but thay are not the ones that will be stopped by the Police or VOSA.

    If you have any specific points then please pm me.

    Rob
     

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