Niesmann + Bischoff Flair 800iL (1 Viewer)

[jonandshell]

Hi all

I am picking the brains of other N+B owners on here about their experiences with average MPG for these beasts!
The chassis is a 170 HP 3 litre Iveco Daily of 2006 vintage.

There's a few coming up now at affordable prices and we quite fancy a bit of the RWD, fully winterised, monster water tanked, roomily lounged and massively garaged utopia they provide!

 

[scotjimland]

From an owners review..

"At 18mpg I guess we can’t grumble with something approaching 6000kgs. "

 

[DavidG58]

Quite probably our next van of choice, have discussed ownership with Martin (Funflair) not sure of his exact model / age but Bev has garage envy by the bucket full, so probably similar

We have a Hymer Mercedes RWD about 5 tons and we both (us and Martin) get similar mpg's 18-22, with occasional trips slightly higher

Ours is auto as well which might take a couple of mpg, but I wouldn't have a manual by choice

watching with interest for N + B replies

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[Brian and Jo]

Hi all

I am picking the brains of other N+B owners on here about their experiences with average MPG for these beasts!
The chassis is a 170 HP 3 litre Iveco Daily of 2006 vintage.

There's a few coming up now at affordable prices and we quite fancy a bit of the RWD, fully winterised, monster water tanked, roomily lounged and massively garaged utopia they provide!

hi jon & shell,we have just sold our RV and are taking delivery of a N & B Arto 88E Feb 2015 so really looking forward to that the Flair is a superb motorhome,luxury indeed but the Arto suited our needs better.good luck with your hunt.i will let you know how we get on
brian and jo

 

[TheDogMan]

We have a 5.2 ton 175bhp Iveco Hobby and get the same 18 - 22mpg and as its a 3.5m tall C class the biggest factor is the headwind followed by speed, love the Iveco base and the only weakness I have heard comments on is the auto box, I have the manual.

 

[Scout]

theres an arto here

http://www.rsmotorhomes.com/used-vehicles/niesmann-bischoff-arto/

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[DavidG58]

theres an arto here

http://www.rsmotorhomes.com/used-vehicles/niesmann-bischoff-arto/

Cracking price as well, might be due to being manual

anyone wanting a rear lounge top spec MH this worth a look

 

[jonandshell]

Had a look at a Flair today.

What a pile of crap! The quality of the van itself was fantastic. The trouble is it stank of smoke, there was toilet chemical and god knows what else all over the compartment beneath the cassette and in the garage due to someone not fitting the SOG pipe correctly. The windows were badly scratched, the floor was covered in adhesive and cheap bathroom/kitchen carpet, the mattresses were stained, the horrors went on and on!
Not worth 45k of anyones cash for an 8 year old van in our opinion.
There are others to look at, Travelworld have one a year newer and a little dearer. Hopefully they will bring it to Lincoln.

Thanks for the advice so far, but it has to be a RWD chassis, so that discounts an Arto.

Our budget is about 45k and we will need dealer facilities in light of the fact we are too young to draw on our pension pots!!!!

 

[Ivory55]

A heavier pay load , is that for even more battery's . Ha ha

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[Brian and Jo]

Had a look at a Flair today.

What a pile of crap! The quality of the van itself was fantastic. The trouble is it stank of smoke, there was toilet chemical and god knows what else all over the compartment beneath the cassette and in the garage due to someone not fitting the SOG pipe correctly. The windows were badly scratched, the floor was covered in adhesive and cheap bathroom/kitchen carpet, the mattresses were stained, the horrors went on and on!
Not worth 45k of anyones cash for an 8 year old van in our opinion.
There are others to look at, Travelworld have one a year newer and a little dearer. Hopefully they will bring it to Lincoln.

Thanks for the advice so far, but it has to be a RWD chassis, so that discounts an Arto.

Our budget is about 45k and we will need dealer facilities in light of the fact we are too young to draw on our pension pots!!!!

im sure the right one will turn up jon you cant believe that people can mistreat their motorhomes like they do.anyway onward and upward,continue the hunt
brian and jo

 

[DavidG58]

There are others to look at, Travelworld have one a year newer and a little dearer. Hopefully they will bring it to Lincoln.


Our budget is about 45k and we will need dealer facilities in light of the fact we are too young to draw on our pension pots!!!!

Might be a queue for it at Lincoln

How do you fancy my Hymer? not sure we can do the facilities though

 

[funflair]

Hi jonandshell

I posted last night from the Rotterdam ferry but it looks like it did not get through.

DavidG58 has answered for me regarding the MPG and he is pretty spot on, If I try really hard and keep the speed down to not more than 50 then I might get it to 23 and a bit but in the grand scheme you are not going to save much. I cruise about 55 now as even with 6 speed box they are fairly low geared with 52 being about 2250rpm.

Just weighed ours on the way home with full holiday trim but not full of water, though the garage was pretty full of French plonk for David G58 and a bit for us as well, the front axle is 1880kg and the rear is 3720kg total 5600kg that is 20kg lighter on the front even though the total is up over 500kg from when we got it (3 solar panels, jacks, EFOY and garage full of booze).

If you want to have a good look over ours at Lincoln you are more than welcome (but its not for sale).

The one that Travelworld have on their web site was at Malvern and showed as sold after the show but seems to have fallen through, have a look and see what you think.

Martin

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[jonandshell]

Cheers for the advice and offer Martin.

We might bring a beer round!

Our Transit really only returns about 23-24 mpg, so it looks like owning such a beast wouldn't cost much more. I reckon a big factor in MH fuel consumption is drag caused by the frontal area. Ours being a tall overcab van will have similar front profile to the Flair.

 

[jongood]

Ive just happenend across this a few months after the event.

I want to make the point that fuel consumption is irrelevant for most motorhomers simply because they do so few miles. 5000 a year is high for most people ( you can prove this by dividing the mileage by the age of secondhand motorhomes)

Using fuel at £1.30/litre
500o miles at 25mpg is £1000
5000 miles at 20mpg is £1200

This is a huge difference in MPG but it costs another £200.

The longevity of the tyres makes a bigger difference but no-one asks that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NewboyNB]

What is the fuel tank size and approx range for most with a Flair 8000?
I know it will vary but roughly so I can think about routes etc?

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[funflair]

What is the fuel tank size and approx range for most with a Flair 8000?
I know it will vary but roughly so I can think about routes etc?

Ours, 3 litre IVECO does up to 600km to the reserve light.

Martin

 

[funflair]

NewboyNB should have added 90 litre tank.

Martin

 

[NewboyNB]

ahh - is that the standard size?

I have a 40L custom tank on my BMW bike so doesn't seem large

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[funflair]

Standard tank.

Martin

 

[Gaston aires]

We had a flair 8000i. It was driven well and returned around 24 mpg during our ownership. A great van and the iveco engine never missed a beat.
Phil