Newbies./gas bottles

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  1. Daveo2006

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    Hi Everyone, We are Dave and Julie and have bought our 1st motorhome in September and after many issues have it back and are ready for the off.We intend trialing it on a trip to Scotland to visit family and other places whilst there.We are from the SE coast by the way and have purchased Swift sundance 590rs.After few short trips in the uk we intend to travel over to France which brings me to my question to which im in need of an answer.When i purchased the van i was sold(hired) two calor gas bottles (6kg) and they charged me deposits on the bottles.I have since found out these are not exchangeable over seas so intend buying two gaslow refillables.What id like to know is can i get deposits back at any calor agent or will i have to go back to the dealer where i got them?I did think they charged a high rate too which was £34 a bottle which is alot more than i pay for the 13kg bottles i use at work.I would be grateful if anyone would have any info.Cheers.
     
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    The 2 x 6kg could be ok dependant on time of year and type of camping you do. We did 6 weeks in France last year and barely used 6kgs as it was june and early july.

    On the bottle hire, as i understand it if you have the hire agreement you can hand them in at most calor outlets.

    6kgs in a lite bottle is generally £22.
     
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    Returned an 11 kg calor cylinder with the contract document issued when purchased earlier this week, 2.5 years ago it was £30. There is a sliding scale of refunds and I was only entitled to 50% IE £15.00.:Eeek:

    Bit of a rip off after purchasing so many refills but there you go.:Sad:

    PS We went for Alugas the cylinders empty are less than half the weight of Gaslow or Gasit a consideration if payload is tight,:thumb:
     
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    Thanks for the replies guys,i will certainly take on board your comments and weigh up the options.
     
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    Stewart i just checked out the alugas cylinders.Defo makes good sense and not alot of difference price.The only thing i need to check is that two will fit in the locker as they are a different shape in the 6kg size.
     
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    Hi Daveo I too am off overseas for the first time this year,for a two and a half weeks, and had worries about gas and the amount required.
    As Phill D points out a lot will depend on the time of year and the type of camping,be it with hook up or not.Last summer myself and family spent two weeks off the west coast of Scotland wild camping .For the whole 2 weeks we needed no hookup and relied on solar power,however the fridge ran off gas constantly,the water heater and cooker also using gas.At the end of the fortnight we had used around three quarters of a bottle 6 kg.
    My van like yours carries 2 6 kg bottles which in hindsight in May will last more than long enough.
    If money is not an issue get the refillable bottles and adapters however its money which could maybe be better spent elsewhere!

    Regards Vlad .:thumb:
     
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    On the Alugas cylinders the trick is to remove the lifting collar which is fixed by 3 x stainless steel bolts, gives you more height space above. :thumb:
     
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    I don't know if you've had the Swift weighed or not but if you're going to add extra weight by putting in 11k Gaslow, or similar, bottles rather than the 6kg bottles you already have it might be a good idea to get it weighed.

    At least then you'd know whether to go for the lightest option (gas tank) or the extra weight of the Gaslow system and if you have sufficient payload to cope with the extra weight.

    As mentioned earlier make sure you have enough room in the locker to take a Gaslow system.
     
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    Hi roryboys Dad, im going to stick with the 2 6kg size,its just the issue of not being able to change them abroad and also im thinking it could be alot more convenient filling them up at the fuel stations rather than having to take them out all the time.The understanding i have is that you just fill from outside the vehicle as you would an lpg car?
     
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    Hi Daveo, i am all so looking at refillable gas bottles. I will be calling in to alugas in Thirsk on Monday hopefully will pick up 1 11kg gas bottle and fittings to fit to my M/H when arrives.Ill let you know cost of 6kg bottles & fittings. :thumb:
     
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    I went for one 11kg alugas as it is cheaper lighter & less pipework than 2 x 6kg & as it's refillable there is no need for seperate bottles as you can top it up rather than wait 'till it's empty.
     
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    We have the same as Jay, one 11kg alugas. Much lighter and gives you some storage in the gas locker for a Cobb BBQ and other bits.
    Toured Scotland Sept during fairly crap weather, used gas for heating and water as there is no electric option in van and cooked food in the van most of the time. I topped the gas up twice and in total used just under a cylinder full.
    To make sure the vent is uncovered the Cobb sits on a Trivet which is about the same diameter.
    Hope this helps.

    Tim

    Forgot to add that the fridge used electric form hook up for most of the time apart from stops during the day.
     
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    Thanks everyone, good to hear different views,i think ive nearly made my mind up:Confused: Plumbbomb it would be great to know costings for 2x6 and maybe 1x11.If i do change to refillable bottles i will most definitely fit the external filler as i dont think it will look too odd.
     
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    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dave2006 - this may be of some help to explain what is a relatively easy system to fit - [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]www.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]gaslow[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].co.uk/pdf/[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Filling[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Instructions[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-2012.pdf[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The filler point can be either outside or inside the locker, there are threads debating the merits or otherwise of which to use on these forums, and it took me less than a couple of hours to fit it myself.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If you do it yourself then get it checked by a competent Gas fitter.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I have an 11[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]kg Gaslow bottle and a 6kg Calor as standby and the metal filler bracket inside the locker.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]There are plenty of filling stations in the UK and on the Continent but you shouldn't need more than the two bottles of gas you are going to fit unless you go for many weeks or in deepest Winter.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Filling is as easy as topping up with fuel and fitting any refillable system saves having to lift out heavy cylinders, trapping fingers and dropping on toes and for anyone of a certain age or fitness level the system is well worth the initial monetary outlay.[/FONT]
     
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    welcome

    Welcome aboard:Wink:
     
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    I have just read somewhere that some garage require you put a min of 5ltr at any time.Can anyone throw any light on this?:Eeek:
     
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    that is true there is a minimum delivery at the pump. however a 6kg bottle @ 80% takes about 11.5 lites, so 5 kgs is half full.

    on the alugas 6kg bottles gasit have got some on offer at £120 each and the gasit fittings fit and are considerably cheaper than the Alugas and Gaslow fittings.
     
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    A couple of things spring to mind here:

    I was led to believe that the Calor 'deposit' is non-returnable. You can however sell empty Calor bottles on eBay so the buyer avoids paying the initial deposit. A start price a bit below the deposit is a reasonable one to ask. Better than earning nothing anyway. By the way - does anyone want an empty 13Kg Calor cylinder? No reasonable offer refused :Wink:

    With Gaslow, my only reservation about a 6kg cylinder is that the standard Gaslow bottle neck gauge is very inaccurate, and your cylinder may not be as empty (or as full) as it seems. You'd need to be sure that it was more than half empty if you wanted to put more than the minimum 5 litre delivery into it. I have an 11Kg Gaslow cylinder with a gauge that told me it was virtually empty when it was nearly half full - imagine my surprise when only 10 litres went in before the pump cut off.
     
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    Im not thinking straight:Blush: If i get a 2 bottle system, as long as one is empty i wont have any issues.So is that with all stations Phill ? Theres only one local to me according to mapping of them. Not a shortage on any route out of here though.
     
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